okay, maxx. the whole idea of kicking someone in the nuts has no bearing on the discussion of the word nothing. i'm merely trying to provoke thought in those who feel they know everything. i wasn't asking you to input your barbaric and unwitty response. if you had read everything, than you would know that something is something, it's an oxi-moron if it wasn't. what i'm trying to say is that nothing points to itself as being something. and radyk, think about what you said. he'd have to kick me in my immatareail nuts. those are made out of nothingness. first of all immaterial is a word to show that something doesn't exist. so, in conclusion of my short statement to you, nothingness and immaterial are two completely different things. therefore, you have proven to everyone that you don't know what you're talking about which proves to me that you have no idea what's going on.