Final Fantasy VIII Mysteries

[Future Esthar]

PAK

We will go little by little.

A) FH is on the center of the world.
The continents seems to go around FH.
If you look at the world from the sky you will perceive a clock resemblance.A clock at 3:45(or 9:15).
FH will be on the center of the clock and the bridges sides will look like pointers.
Do you understand?Can you see it?
I will proceed after your answer.

[Pharoh Amon Khan III]

PAK

We will go little by little.

A) FH is on the center of the world.
The continents seems to go around FH.
If you look at the world from the sky you will perceive a clock resemblance.A clock at 3:45(or 9:15).
FH will be on the center of the clock and the bridges sides will look like pointers.
Do you understand?Can you see it?
I will proceed after your answer.

Let me try to be clear... I 'see' what you're 'describing' but I don't see where you're going with with this.... What's your point. You might, YOU... DO, YOU NEED to want to try opening up with a point.

Tell me the point of all this then go back to your... explaination.

[Future Esthar]

There is a relation between the Eden animation and the "color check picture"CCP.That is the point.
B) CCP fits the world map and has a triangle in the middle.
Therefore there is an underlying triangle on the world at the center
Considering the information given on the previous post don´t you see the relation?

[Pharoh Amon Khan III]

There is a relation between the Eden animation and the "color check picture"CCP.That is the point.
B) CCP fits the world map and has a triangle in the middle.
Therefore there is an underlying triangle on the world at the center
Considering the information given on the previous post don´t you see the relation?

Okay... SO they MATCH... Just what... What're you saying? What does this mean to you? What does this 'realation' mean?

And which 'previous post' are you referring to? I still don't see the connection to "Genetically Engineered" Kentucky Fried Chocobos. (I'm hungry)

[Del Murder]

Future Esthar, you have been warned about hijacking others' threads so please do not do it again.

Continuing this discussion will result in closing this thread, because it never seems to go anywhere. Actually none of the discussions about this game never seem to go anywhere.

Ryushikaze, don't be a butthead by calling people names. Please show some maturity. If you have none, fake it.

[Pharoh Amon Khan III]

G-Dammit Prez. Georgie!!! You can't even keep us safe from terrorist on EOFF?!?!?!!! Oooh, I am so P-Yessed right now!!!

But seriously. Anyone got another "mystery"?

[jammi567]

Ummmmmmm, forgoten if this is in the game, but where do the GF's come from?

[Pharoh Amon Khan III]

Ummmmmmm, forgoten if this is in the game, but where do the GF's come from?

Nobody knows... But I assume their both quasi-sentient entities of energy and inter-dimensional beings.

I can only guess the reason they 'aid' the ones 'worthy' to defeat them is that since they exist as energy, they are possibly bound to their elemental planes and dimensions and experience memories from those that are junctioned to them.

It does seem a fair price to pay for awesome but brief power of a GF for it to take your memories away as pennance...

But that's just my idea of the 'balance' of the whole thing.

[jammi567]

ok. right. that helps a bit.

[Pharoh Amon Khan III]

ok. right. that helps a bit.

Well, I was kinda hoping you would tell me what YOU thought was the relationship between GFs and 'Junctioneers' as well...

I mean, honestly, the more I played this game and aquired more GFs, this seemed... well, "WRONG" to do this to these creatures. I felt like a Pokemon Hunter/Slaver...

What if there was a sequel to FFVIII, and it was the "Rebellion of the Guardian Forces"? LOL. Staring Mr. T as "Ifrit", Uma Thurman as "Siren", Martin Lawerence and Will Smith as "The Brothers", and Terry Tate as "Doomtrain".

[Ryushikaze]

ok. right. that helps a bit.

Well, I was kinda hoping you would tell me what YOU thought was the relationship between GFs and 'Junctioneers' as well...

I mean, honestly, the more I played this game and aquired more GFs, this seemed... well, "WRONG" to do this to these creatures. I felt like a Pokemon Hunter/Slaver... :(

What if there was a sequel to FFVIII, and it was the "Rebellion of the Guardian Forces"? LOL. Staring Mr. T as "Ifrit", Uma Thurman as "Siren", Martin Lawerence and Will Smith as "The Brothers", and Terry Tate as "Doomtrain".

Well, it doesn't seem like the GF are too terribly protesting. Several of them actually say "Impressive, my skills are yours" etc.
GFs are just another name for summoned monsters, and there are four basic backstories for summoned monsters.
1- Land of the Summons, where such monsters reside until called upon by a summoner. From FF4
2- A different land, of the Espers. In this world, summons are the crystallized conciousness of the Esper. Used unwillingly by the foe, but apparently willingly (those who you get to talk to all seem to be positive about it) by the party. VI.
3- Creatures of the collective conciousness, changing as people's perceptions of them do. Seem to rely on humankind for an identity, similar to the Discworld version of gods, which only become gods via humanity's belief in them. Eidolons without this sustaining lose form, like Ozma, the 'dead' Eidolon.
4- Creatures of dream, as created by the fayth/ extensions of the fayth themselves. Enter into contract with Summoners after the summoner proves themselves. Essentially creatures of memory, but not dependant upon others for their form or identity, such as the forgotten Magus sisters and Yojimbo.

Now, we know that GFs reside outside of the human or animal mind- Ifrit, Odin, Bahamut, that they can be drawn out and reside in of the minds of other humans or animals,- Carbuncle, Pandemona, Alexander, Eden- and that they gradually 'erase' long term memories by continual 'residence' in the mind of those using them, though these memories can easily be restored by simple reminders.
Based on all of this, I think the GFs are Fayth-like creatures, with the memory loss caused by their residence in the mind disrupting the pathways to the portions of the brain where long term memories are stored.
Beyond that, though, there's not enough data to come to any sort of appreciable conclusion.

[Pharoh Amon Khan III]

ok. right. that helps a bit.

Well, I was kinda hoping you would tell me what YOU thought was the relationship between GFs and 'Junctioneers' as well...

I mean, honestly, the more I played this game and aquired more GFs, this seemed... well, "WRONG" to do this to these creatures. I felt like a Pokemon Hunter/Slaver...

What if there was a sequel to FFVIII, and it was the "Rebellion of the Guardian Forces"? LOL. Staring Mr. T as "Ifrit", Uma Thurman as "Siren", Martin Lawerence and Will Smith as "The Brothers", and Terry Tate as "Doomtrain".

Well, it doesn't seem like the GF are too terribly protesting. Several of them actually say "Impressive, my skills are yours" etc.
GFs are just another name for summoned monsters, and there are four basic backstories for summoned monsters.
1- Land of the Summons, where such monsters reside until called upon by a summoner. From FF4
2- A different land, of the Espers. In this world, summons are the crystallized conciousness of the Esper. Used unwillingly by the foe, but apparently willingly (those who you get to talk to all seem to be positive about it) by the party. VI.
3- Creatures of the collective conciousness, changing as people's perceptions of them do. Seem to rely on humankind for an identity, similar to the Discworld version of gods, which only become gods via humanity's belief in them. Eidolons without this sustaining lose form, like Ozma, the 'dead' Eidolon.
4- Creatures of dream, as created by the fayth/ extensions of the fayth themselves. Enter into contract with Summoners after the summoner proves themselves. Essentially creatures of memory, but not dependant upon others for their form or identity, such as the forgotten Magus sisters and Yojimbo.

Now, we know that GFs reside outside of the human or animal mind- Ifrit, Odin, Bahamut, that they can be drawn out and reside in of the minds of other humans or animals,- Carbuncle, Pandemona, Alexander, Eden- and that they gradually 'erase' long term memories by continual 'residence' in the mind of those using them, though these memories can easily be restored by simple reminders.
Based on all of this, I think the GFs are Fayth-like creatures, with the memory loss caused by their residence in the mind disrupting the pathways to the portions of the brain where long term memories are stored.
Beyond that, though, there's not enough data to come to any sort of appreciable conclusion.

It's inconclusive, but you gotta admit, it's fun mind-boggle stuff.

This may get off topic, but I thought the fayth were the dreamers that sacraficed themselves to enter into a eternal sleep, and the Aeons where the physical manifestation of those dreams. Kinda like some people say, "When I dream, I am a Dragon..." But we'll get on that later. If there is anything to add...

If not... My next question about the GF summons is, illusions or physical manifestions... Summons such as Odin, Gilgamesh, and Shiva I think are physical manifestations, while others such as "Siren" is an illusion.

[Ryushikaze]

It's inconclusive, but you gotta admit, it's fun mind-boggle stuff.

This may get off topic, but I thought the fayth were the dreamers that sacraficed themselves to enter into a eternal sleep, and the Aeons where the physical manifestation of those dreams. Kinda like some people say, "When I dream, I am a Dragon..." But we'll get on that later. If there is anything to add...

Well, some, like Bahamut, seem to be both fayth and Aeon, though it seems possible for them to create entities separate from their conciousnesses, like Jecht and Tidus.
Of course, all of them are some form of Shinentai- will made form- using the energy charged matter of the farplane/lifestream for physical substance.

If not... My next question about the GF summons is, illusions or physical manifestions... Summons such as Odin, Gilgamesh, and Shiva I think are physical manifestations, while others such as "Siren" is an illusion.

Well, Gilgamesh is supposed to be the same Gilgamesh from FF5, travelling through different dimensions and timelines to find his way home, so he's completely 'real', inasmuch as he is as physical as the party members (I forget if he's canon or just an easter egg as it were). Odin's got to be real, given his cutting and being cut, as do Ifrit and all other GF who appear out of battle in some form or another.
As for the ones who only appear in battle, well, again, that's "only in battle", and battle has ALWAYS been the iffiest way to determine capabilities in an RPG.
Which GFs in particular do you think are illusory?

[Pharoh Amon Khan III]

I totally agree with you on Gilgamesh and his connection to previous FFs, although I'm glad he's on the player's side this time... Sorta I guess... Do you think there's connection with FFIV as well? Definetely physical as was Odin... How else could Seifer have... y'know... Not wanting to give out spoliers. Noobs are everywhere... :shift:


Siren, I would imagine is illusionary given the origin of her powers, and the opening animation. (Yeah, I know the animation should be taken literally but I like to give the boys at Square some credit that they haven't lost their creative touch from back in the old days).

Siren status effect of 'confusion', and the visuals of her at Sea no matter how close or far you are from the sea, makes me believe that it could be a telepathic illusion projected directly into their minds. That's not saying that Siren doesn't appear, but the total effect is basically illusionary... Ya know what, I think Siren, just hit me, because I just got confused...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOl4d0kcQZA

Anyhoo... The other GF that's illusionary would have to be... I guess Doomtrain, but the more I think about the fact that it's suppose to be mystically tied to Solomon's Ring (another gift from Sorceress Edea), and it's 'ghost-like' para-normal nature, I'm kinda at a toss up. Obviously inspired from FFVI; It's a ghost, it could be both an illusion and a physical manifestation. And Solomon's ring requires ritualistic totems of sacrifice to be activated and summon forth "The Runaway Train of the Damned/Dead: DOOMTRAIN", I'm just not sure...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BjQfr9ut8M


Boco The Chocobo... I don't really consider a GF, but it's there, so... I think Boco is illusionary. I don't have details of what it's attack does, or how it's obtained, but... I'm gonna go with mind-numbing cuteness that kills with love... Love Hurts...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRwYUFUG_1Y


Phoenix is another one that I'm kinda iffy on... To me it looks like the 'effect' of death is real, but the manifestation of the Phoenix is in the victims' mind. Kinda like Jean Grey.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUIvqo1NLh8


Discuss amongst yourselves...

[Ryushikaze]

Well, Boco we know is real, and Chocobos have a similar effect in other FFs (notably FFT, in which is a physical, not faith attack, if I recall). Now, while I think that Doomtrain includes illusory elements, apparently he's been caught on film, so he at least exists.

Siren calls forth water and a small sea, but then again, Leviathan summons a mountain and a waterfall.

Phoenix is odd, because technically the pheonix could regenerate from ash in a fire, so it wouldn't be too odd for the bird to rise whole from nothing.

Now if any attack is largely an illusion, I would think it would be Eden's, given the extra-galactic nature of the attack and sub-c speeds.

Of course, it could be that they all involve pocket dimensions. I mean, we're already calling forth and arranging matter in most of them anyways.