When does he say that he believes the things he is doing are morally right and justified?Originally Posted by Ryth
But he didn't understand his actions were wrong and immoral, right? He thought he was doing the right thing, but he was wrong, sounds a bit ignorant of the facts to me. I'm sure I'm wrong though...Lol. If it was anything, it surely was not ignorance. He knew full well what he was doing.
Lol, nice Christmas.
im pretty sure he new he was doing the wrong thing
I agree to a point. The heads of the divisions, and mainly Rufus, are definantily what most would define as evil. I think the Turks run more towards a stance of neutrality. In a way, there almost more like somewhat more stable mercenaries: they pledge allegiance to Shinra because Shinra pays them; if Shinra went down, it's unlikely they'd have trouble finding new work.
Again, I agree on the idea of "evil" and "good" being rational, though only to a point.
However, I disagree about the analysis of Sephiroth. Shinra is definantily a major player throughout the entirety of the game, but Sephiroth has more than an ample presence as the main villain of the game. He consistantly appears to mock you and harass you, as well as (though indirectly) confronting you. While Shinra tends to be a bigger 'presence', for the most part, I think Sephiroth has more than ample appearance in the game.
I completely disagree. Though he thought humans were evil and deserving of death, that didn't stop the fact that his entire ideas and plans for what he intended to do centered around things that would prove beneficial only truly to himself and his goal of destroying the human race because of the crime he perceives has been committed against the planet. That being the case, the main factors of his desire came from wrath and greed. He was also hypocritical, as he talked about how they had hurt the planet yet he INTENDED to summon the Meteor to wound the planet and then absorb the energy sent to heal the wound. Thus, he basically intended to right things by merely continuing on with the wrong that was already being perpetrated, merely to a much grander scale.
Not that Shinra was any better, but I think it's a stretch to say Sephiroth was better than they were, as Sephiroth's mere view of a people cannot justify his actions.
i agree to the sephiroth partNot that Shinra was any better, but I think it's a stretch to say Sephiroth was better than they were, as Sephiroth's mere view of a people cannot justify his actions
s=selfish
h= hatred
i=irogant
n=neglectful
r=raty
a=arogant
imagine ur mom was taken from u and u really wanted her back seph wanted to do anything to get his mom back what he did was wrong but he wanted his mothers warmth and wish and wanted to be a great son so what he did was wrong and evil but all he wanted was his mom
shinra was 2 faced in there actions but they were like a banana when u take out all the bad parts u have a good piece of fruit so once all the bad parts of shinra was taken away they saw how they were wrong in ffac so shinra was bad but then started to see what they did was wrong in the end
So merely having wanted his mom was justification for him to attempt to wipe out the human race AND the planet? While I can see how you came to the conclusion you did and Sephiroth's possible reasoning, I still say that his actions are unjustified and that his mere perceptions on things and people do NOT provided justification.
Also, yes, he wanted his mother's warmth perhaps to a degree, but even then the whole thing took on a new form as he basically really just wanted to justify destroying Shinra and the planet in a fit of rage to "avenge" his mom, or who he perceived was his mother, as well as spouting a bunch of racial superiority nonsense.
And, if we want to talk about his mother.......
(SPOILER)Jenova was NOT his mother; if I remember correctly, his real mother, Lucrecia, was infused with some of Jenova's DNA to see how the offspring of such a person would turn out, or Jenova DNA was added to him later on (it's been so long since I played the game that I can't fully remember). It's odd that the books he looked through seemingly never mentioned that, and to a degree I believe he really ignored it if they did; he had probably already come to view himself as a member of a superior race, and saying he was avenging his mother was merely a form of justification he could use to help ease his mind, if even that.
yea im not saying what he did wasnt wrong but alot was taken from him so that is what made him go insane
Last edited by finalfantasyguy4ever; 07-24-2006 at 03:10 PM.
True only to a minor extent. Yes, there were things in life that could have been taken from him, if he had had them to begin with. While it must have been harsh, the fact was that he had lived his entire life without any of the things he supposedly believed had been taken from him. He used the idea that he had been deprived something as a rational by which to do what he did.
And if you think about, he didn't seem to have really cared about any of those things anyway, as he talked less and less about avenging his mother and more and more about gaining and wielding power. To me, that always implied that the whole "mother" thing was just a rational, and he knew it was a rational, to give some kind of possible moral justification to the stand he had taken. As far as I'm concerned, he deceived himself, at the very least, and thus never really had concrete ground to go "insane" other than the fact that he became such a supporter of the idea of a superior race and his desire to install that race due to what he had read.
If you had the opportunity to run a company worth billions of gil you'd suck up the planets life energy too.
Edit:
Off course!
Last edited by nik0tine; 07-24-2006 at 04:29 AM.
Did anyone even see this?
i think we all seen thatShinra is just Wal-Mart, evil but convenient.
Did anyone even see this?
guys.. technically, if shirnia didn't do any expiriments on sephiroth, then none this would have happened. think about it, hojo used jenova's cells and injected it into sephiroth and had pro. gast killed. it's shirnia thats bad
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