what about a game where you play an evil guy and all his minions and these 6 pesky "hero" people keep ruining your plans and killing your minions.
the final battle is you vs them 6
what about a game where you play an evil guy and all his minions and these 6 pesky "hero" people keep ruining your plans and killing your minions.
the final battle is you vs them 6
I hope the main female characters are interesting. They always have the same types throughout Square games:
the 'magic' girl (main love interest) - Aerith, Rinoa, Garnet, Yuna
the 'angstier' girl - Tifa, Quistis, Freya, Lulu
the 'hyper' girl - Yuffie, Selphie, Eiko, Rikku
Granted, I'm making blanket statements, but they ARE easy to stereotype.
When will they make a strong female lead character that kicks some serious as*, independant, is anything but weak, fragile, delicate, dainty, ect., and the male lead really likes, but she has no interest in him? That's what I want to see.
And for those who can't take a female lead seirously, I laught at you. The worst thing you could do is underestimate your opponent.
No, your not making blanket statements, it's all very true.Originally Posted by marysonnie
From the looks of it, now.
the best game to contrast FF's heroes, that I've played recently, was god of war. Revenge, hatred and anger are the hero's motivations. He rallies against fate and destiny and the very gods. FF heroes, on the other hand, blunder from one thing to the next, swept along by fate; the goodness in the world propels them to remove the evil, and really they're powerless to do anything else.
To contrast the two, if Katos was Cloud in FFVII, he'd harness Meteor himself and destroy Sephiroth and half the world with it the second Aeris dies. Then he'd take all the women of the world and create a giant harem and have lots of meaningless sex, then kill all the women.
FF heroes are not the typical heroes of the past. They are the embodiment of geek-turned hero. They're rennaissance men, emo and metrosexual: able to romance the ladies, not just overpower them then move on. They are what a geek would imagine himself as if he wanted to be a hero.(theoretically) They play the silent moody game to get attention(squall), or are flamboyant to the point of annoyance to get attention(zidane); the whole point of being a hero is the prestige and attention they get along the way. I think, in FFX-2, SE tried to delve into what a female geek daydreams. Male geeks dream of big equipment(with obvious phalic innuendo), fast cars, and female attention. SE decided that females dream of dressing up and being superstars. Obviously SE's experience with female psychology was extremely limited, because they didn't quite get the formula down. I would like to see them figure out what girly geeks really daydream, and make a hero out of that, but for that to happen SE's going to have to be thinking of marketing the game toward the mindset of a female gamer, and I don't think that that will ever happen. Their formula addressed to young male guys seems to work for them so I don't think they'll break the mold anytime soon. So even with a female lead, we're still going to be getting a female from a man's perspective, and we all know how well men understand women.
Pratchet's Rincewind(a total coward that runs from every situation and who always seems to end up as the hero somehow, through no fault of his own) would make a helluva lead methinksbut I'm content with whatever cliched slop SE turns out. I just can't help but enjoy whatever bullcrap they choose to spoon feed me.
Ew, no. That honestly sickens me.SE decided that females dream of dressing up and being superstars.
Well it's not like Japan is enthusiastic about women's rights. As long as they see women as 'lesser' than men, you're not likely to see a good depiction of a female heroine. And the very fact that they won't gear the game towards a female gaming audience proves that discrimination.Obviously SE's experience with female psychology was extremely limited, because they didn't quite get the formula down. I would like to see them figure out what girly geeks really daydream, and make a hero out of that, but for that to happen SE's going to have to be thinking of marketing the game toward the mindset of a female gamer, and I don't think that that will ever happen.
Oh, dear lord...a man's perspective. God help us all. :rolleyes2Their formula addressed to young male guys seems to work for them so I don't think they'll break the mold anytime soon. So even with a female lead, we're still going to be getting a female from a man's perspective, and we all know how well men understand women.
lol great booksPratchet's Rincewind
Last edited by Dragon Mage; 10-10-2006 at 10:22 PM.
Personally, I think Tifa Lockheart already fit that bill. Why do the girls always have to be pretty though? In my opinion there should be a ruddy biker dike from mars who has a girlie personality.
Well, a dark past does make a hero. You can't be called a hero if you haven't overcome something bad. If you have yet to face anything whether physical or emotional, then you're a wannabe (with the capacity to be a hero, of course.)
You're talking about Final Fantasy? Only the one character (Cloud) has specialized in a "Giant Sword." Most other games merely have it around as an option.
I really dig the idea of playing as a soldier who is merely following orders. Or a civilian drafted into a rebellion. Or a monster serving an overlord. Or even a robot that was originally built for target practice.
I think not. Tifa was a girl girl (not even 500 lb men have that kind of frontal anatomy), and wasn't all that intimidating. I'd love to see a female Sephiroth type of strong (minus the darkness and evil). Like a gorgeous elegant (Tifa is NOT elegant) lady in her mid twenties that is an extremely good sword fighter, or something like it. (Hehe, I've written a novel already, and that's one of the main characters.)Personally, I think Tifa Lockheart already fit that bill.....
Zidane, gotta love him. I want to see another Zidane, or at least a regular ordinary kid that embarks on a quest or adventure. And also one that DOESN'T get super powers, but uses his will instead to survive.
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What the heck is a "girl girl"?
I think you'd like Aurumae (one of my characters). She's not very talkative, but she's a lot more fun than X-2's Paine. To sum her up: introverted (thoughtful) knock-out blonde samurai-botanist, 1/10 of a group of subjects originating of illegal laboratories. Like her 9 friends, she can be frighteningly dangerous, but she's a lover . . . especially to flora (plant-life).I'd love to see a Sephiroth type of strong. Like a gorgeous, elegant (Tifa is NOT elegant) lady in her mid twenties that is an extremely good sword fighter, or something like it. (Hehe, I've written a novel already, and that's one of the main characters.)
A 'girl girl' is a female that is overly feminine. And I mean overly. Because of Tifa's...assests, she is defined as a girl girl. A non-girl girl char. would be one who does not display any of the sexist attributes applied to women by the opposite sex. Such as; a non girl girl char would be slim, not well endowed (interfers with fighting), very strong, takes a hit and doesn't even notice it or just keeps on going, extremely skilled in chosen art of warfare, very fast, and so on and so on. And most of all a non-girl girl is not blond or in any way unintelligant.What the heck is a "girl girl"?
How about this I'm a creative guy so here's a good main character story: A MODERN girl who lives with her BIOLOGICAL parents who are rich, with a depressed soldier older brother and a blaonde cat-lady black mage who acts a ton like Rikku but around 21-or something....I warned you...
The Hero Archetype worked well enough for Shakespeare. Didn't you ever study Julius Caesar(10th grade usually I think, not 11th or 12th)? Tidus is comparable to Brutus in the sense that they're both tragic heroes :]No, he doesn't. Heroes in other types of media don't always have to have dark pasts. If you have ever read Discworld, very few main characters in those books have dark pasts, and they're some of the best books you'll ever read, and you can sympathise with the characters just as much as a character who has a 'dark and mysterious past.'
You don't learn anything about narrative, you pick it up and make your own opinions about it. I'd rather take the view of someone who has been writing for twenty years rather than an national curriculum.
As for Discworld, Sam Vimes is one of the most heroic men in there, and you can hardly say his past was not dark. He was alcoholic, bitter against the world etc, at least until he met Sybil:] Rather similar to Squall, no? They both thought they knew the true nature of men, and how to cope in the world they lived in, but a girl discovered a new side to them xD
Lu Tze is a hero (and one of my favorites <3). He was orphaned, and ended up in the care of an organization. He overcomes those slight flaws and saves the world.
So no, PTerry knows that good heroes sometimes need dark backgrounds, and he's given his some.
There's nothing wrong with learning how to write. It can't hurt you unless you treat it as formula. Knowing the theory always helps. And the national curriculum is generally based on people who wrote just as much as your favored authors, and not only that, they were the subject matter of those authors' schooling just as much as yours
I'd hardly call tifa angsty xD
See notes on Shakespeare and the tragic hero archetype xD
So you think that rikku is a good hero? xD
my apologies for necroquoting :]
Sylvieve is a white-haired ninja. She's certainly "not well endowed," can appear or disappear in a flash, and a terror with her Duos Blades. She wouldn't notice taking damage if driven into a frenzy which is very likely as she's actually somewhat psychotic early on.
Aurumae, I still like the most though. She's honorable, calm, and conscientious. She can take control of any crazy situation (without usurping authority from their leader) based on the respect she has from others.
Yellow Winged Angel
Um....the cat-sister was Rikku-like....
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