For all Aeris haters

[Ryushikaze]

Ill never understand how you can say that she wasnt saintly: She sacrificed her life to save the planet, and she didnt want Cloud and the others to get into trouble.

Aerith sacrificed nothing. She was not expecting to die, and she was stupid for going off alone when she knew she had the 'way to stop Meteor', and knew Sephy, who was far more motile than she- knew it too.

Yes she did fancy Cloud but the way you make it sound is that she forced him to like her, I mean why should someone consider her a tart, if that were so then she would have tryed to take advantage of Cloud when she had him at her house

How about convincing him to dress like a girl for what amounted to no good reason?

and whats with the "OMG she's so weak in battle!!!" she was a healer and protector of people, she has one of the best limits in the game (filling up the other 2 characters limit bars at the price of hers)

By the time you can use Fury Brand, enemies at that point in the game cannot inflict enough damage to signifigantly raise the limit bar, making getting a L3 limit tedious and time consuming.

those of you who hate her I pity you, your are missing out on all her great qualitys and the age old saying goes "All's fair in love and war".

How the hell is this quote even relevant? Besides, most people who hate her based primarily on her personality, rather than her battle mechanics.

Also those of you saying that cloud thinks that Geostigma is because of Aeris I have this to say to you: hahahahahahaha as if! how can she be responsible Geostigma is because the body its fighting the Jenova inside his/her body, I mean how on earth can you think that? its the most rediculas theroy iv ever heard.

No one said Aerith was responsible. Cloud sees Geostigma as a punishment for his failures, and his withdrawl is both quarentine and penance seeking. The creators have stated such.

Also, when did Tifa "do it" with Cloud?

Possibly under the Highwind. Almost definitely in the nearly two year period they share a room at the Seventh Heaven.

[Carl the Llama]

Aerith sacrificed nothing. She was not expecting to die, and she was stupid for going off alone when she knew she had the 'way to stop Meteor', and knew Sephy, who was far more motile than she- knew it too.

If that is true the why did she go off alone? surely she would have wanted the guy she oh so loved to go with her if she wasnt going to die

How about convincing him to dress like a girl for what amounted to no good reason?

No good reason? he dressed like a girl so he could neak into Tifa and find out what was going on, and how may i ask is this relevent to her takeing advantage of him? i fail to see the relevence.

By the time you can use Fury Brand, enemies at that point in the game cannot inflict enough damage to signifigantly raise the limit bar, making getting a L3 limit tedious and time consuming.

By the time i have Fury Brand? i always have it by the time i leave the Mythril mines (place you meet the turks and Elana for the first time)

How the hell is this quote even relevant? Besides, most people who hate her based primarily on her personality, rather than her battle mechanics.

Thats exactly why its relevant: because they dont like the way she flirts with Cloud so yes, this is a relevantreason

No one said Aerith was responsible. Cloud sees Geostigma as a punishment for his failures, and his withdrawl is both quarentine and penance seeking. The creators have stated such.

He's not really concerned about her. He considers the Geostigma a punishment from her and the others he thinks he's failed and is seeking forgiveness, so that he can feel better about himself and get rid of the Stigma.

Erm call me stupid but you yourself said the exact opposit

Possibly under the Highwind. Almost definitely in the nearly two year period they share a room at the Seventh Heaven.

when they shared a room together for 2 years at 7th Heaven? you must mean in the movie, but anyway if that is so i dont see how it is relevant to the way Aeris behaved, both events happened after she died.

[Aralith]

Hey, Reno, did you miss the part where Ryushikaze said that Cloud considered it a punishment? This is not saying that Aerith caused the Geostigma, but merely that Cloud thought of it as punishment for Aerith's death. Even Cloud didn't think Aerith caused it. Ryushikaze never said that Aerith was responsible, so I don't know where you're getting this from.

And also, the reason Aerith went off alone is partly stupidity, but partly because she felt like she was the only one who could figure out who she really was. Remember that Aerith always felt different from the others because of her Cetra heritage, so she kind of felt like she had no one to turn to. That's why she went to the City of the Ancients on her own.

[Carl the Llama]

Hey, Reno, did you miss the part where Ryushikaze said that Cloud considered it a punishment? This is not saying that Aerith caused the Geostigma, but merely that Cloud thought of it as punishment for Aerith's death. Even Cloud didn't think Aerith caused it. Ryushikaze never said that Aerith was responsible, so I don't know where you're getting this from.

Also those of you saying that cloud thinks that Geostigma is because of Aeris

I fail to see the point of this, I was laughing at the fact that he thought that Cloud thought the geostigma was his punishment from Aeris

[Ryushikaze]

Let's see, who do I think knows the motives of the characters of FF7? Some random fanboy on the intarweb, or the creators, who have stated Cloud's feelings several times in interviews? Hint: Not the fanboy.

If that is true the why did she go off alone? surely she would have wanted the guy she oh so loved to go with her if she wasnt going to die

It has been explicitly stated by the creators, several times, that Aerith's death was murder, not sacrifice. As if that's not enough, Maiden of the Planet, in the UOG, also confirms that her death was unexpected.

No good reason? he dressed like a girl so he could neak into Tifa and find out what was going on, and how may i ask is this relevent to her takeing advantage of him? i fail to see the relevence.

Yes, and it turned out to be completely unnecessary for him to dress up in the end, since you basically wind up bashing your way through the place anyways if you barely dress up, and no one really notices. I mean, Corneo has miserable security.
And Aerith enjoyed dressing him up far too much, and lying to people about Cloud's 'habits'.
She also swindled someone out of 5000 gil for a flower outside the Honey Bee Inn.
Not directly relevant, but it shows she's willing to take advantage of an ignorant yutz for her own benefit. Perhaps she tried to take advantage of Cloud, but was rebuffed in her efforts.

By the time i have Fury Brand? i always have it by the time i leave the Mythril mines (place you meet the turks and Elana for the first time)

Yes. And by which time you are very likely highly overlevelled and taking insufficient damage from most enemies to boost your limit meter effectively.

Thats exactly why its relevant: because they dont like the way she flirts with Cloud so yes, this is a relevantreason

Well, you came out of left field with it. And actually, most people I've met don't care so much about her flirting with Cloud as her flirting with everyone else, her insensitivity towards Barret and Tseng.
Lastly, no. Not everything is fair in love and war. Wonder why we don't have a Geneva accord for relationships?

Erm call me stupid but you yourself said the exact opposit

No. There is no contradiction in those two statements.

when they shared a room together for 2 years at 7th Heaven? you must mean in the movie, but anyway if that is so i dont see how it is relevant to the way Aeris behaved, both events happened after she died.

No, I mean after the game, in Case of Tifa, when Cloud, Tifa, Marlene, and Barret start up the 7th heaven again as people build edge, in which there is a scene where if Cloud and Tifa are depicted as sharing a room. Now, I've been told by C/A's before that 'this isn't sufficient evidence' to conclude that they are sleeping together- though if this isn't sufficient evidence, C/A should crawl under a rock and die because it has less substantial evidence overall than I do for this one point- but even if they aren't, sleeping in each other's rooms is at least such a commonplace occurance that Cloud doesn't even react when Tifa accidentally wakes him from his sleep, and he is back to sleep in no time flat.
After the movie as well, after his issues are done with and he moves back into the 7H.
And I never said it was relevant, but then again, you brought it up first.

[Carl the Llama]

Let's see, who do I think knows the motives of the characters of FF7? Some random fanboy on the intarweb, or the creators, who have stated Cloud's feelings several times in interviews? Hint: Not the fanboy.

Could you please provide evidence of this, or are you trying to tell me you yourself worked on the film...

It has been explicitly stated by the creators, several times, that Aerith's death was murder, not sacrifice. As if that's not enough, Maiden of the Planet, in the UOG, also confirms that her death was unexpected.

erm... where? when? evidence? she knew it was risky when she went off alone and wherether or not she thought she wasnt going to die the fact remains that had she not acted in the way she had then she would not have been killed thus she was sacrificed.

Yes, and it turned out to be completely unnecessary for him to dress up in the end, since you basically wind up bashing your way through the place anyways if you barely dress up, and no one really notices. I mean, Corneo has miserable security.

how may i ask was Cloud suposed to know that he had crap security. the reason the he sneaked in there is that had he stormed in there just like that the Don could have been holding Tifa hostage its not like Cloud knew that did he.

And Aerith enjoyed dressing him up far too much, and lying to people about Cloud's 'habits'.

what was she suposed to say "oh i need a dress for my friend here so we can sneak into the Dons place and beat the crap out of his men" call me stupid but i just dont think that would work.

She also swindled someone out of 5000 gil for a flower outside the Honey Bee Inn.

she also gave a flower and 1 gil to Jonny, she "swindled" the other guy cause he only spoke to her to try and get her number she probly found him to be lecherous thus the hefty price tag.

Perhaps she tried to take advantage of Cloud, but was rebuffed in her efforts.

how did she take advantage of cloud may I ask? and before you say that you said perhaps, id like to know what makes you think she could have, name a situation when this "perhaps" could have happened

Yes. And by which time you are very likely highly overlevelled and taking insufficient damage from most enemies to boost your limit meter effectively.

You will note that Fury Brand is her 2/2 limit break and could be learned very easyly with a minimum of 80 kills to get her 2/1 skill and then when you do get that you can charge her limit break up and use it all in the same battle the amount of times it is neccisary

her insensitivity towards Barret and Tseng.

i assume you mean about her actions in the golden saucer here let me refreash your memory with the game script:

Aerith: Wow! Let's have fun! I know this isn't the right time to do this. Hey, Barret, cheer up!

Barret: ……I ain't in no cheery mood. So jes' leave me alone.

Aerith: Really? That's too bad. Let's go!

Tifa: …whisper…whisper… (Wasn't that a little harsh, Aeris!?)

Aerith: …whisper…whisper… (Just act normal when this happens.)

Tifa: …whisper… (You think so…?)

Aerith: Of course! (to Barret) We're gonna play…

Barret: So PLAY! …messin' round %&*$#&! Don't forget we're after Sephiroth!

Barret ran away.

Aerith: …I think he's mad.

Tifa: He'll be fine. He seems to be doing a little better now.

and why may I ask should she be considerate to Tseng? he tried to kidnap her on many many occasions.

No. There is no contradiction in those two statements.

Ok. you keep telling yourself that

No, I mean after the game, in Case of Tifa, when Cloud, Tifa, Marlene, and Barret start up the 7th heaven again as people build edge, in which there is a scene where if Cloud and Tifa are depicted as sharing a room. Now, I've been told by C/A's before that 'this isn't sufficient evidence' to conclude that they are sleeping together- though if this isn't sufficient evidence, C/A should crawl under a rock and die because it has less substantial evidence overall than I do for this one point- but even if they aren't, sleeping in each other's rooms is at least such a commonplace occurance that Cloud doesn't even react when Tifa accidentally wakes him from his sleep, and he is back to sleep in no time flat.
After the movie as well, after his issues are done with and he moves back into the 7H.
And I never said it was relevant, but then again, you brought it up first.

Erm no... i didnt bring this up:

she was alright but i think she was a prude o mean she never even done it with cloud tifa did. when cloud went to aeris' house the slept in difrent rooms.

[TRANS_AM409]

Whel aris dose have good limits and she seemed nice but as stated above ahe could have been trying to use cloud wich would make her a manipulative bitch

[chrisfffan]

for starters Tifa would thrash Aeris in a fight she was only good for healing but i think her characters more intresting Tifa is just a girl with big tits and a big punch haha! but i liked them both.

[TRANS_AM409]

for starters Tifa would thrash Aeris in a fight she was only good for healing but i think her characters more intresting Tifa is just a girl with big tits and a big punch haha! but i liked them both.

True dat homie

[f f freak]

You will note that Fury Brand is her 2/2 limit break and could be learned very easyly with a minimum of 80 kills to get her 2/1 skill and then when you do get that you can charge her limit break up and use it all in the same battle the amount of times it is neccisary

YES now I finally get to kill 80 enemies using someone who is going to die at the end of disc one so it is really quite pointless doing so.

Also seriously people keep saying that Cloud and Tifa slept together there is no proof of this what so ever unless there is a secret scene in the game which shows this. Sure it's quite possible they did but still no proof.

erm... where? when? evidence? she knew it was risky when she went off alone and wherether or not she thought she wasnt going to die the fact remains that had she not acted in the way she had then she would not have been killed thus she was sacrificed.

He has already given you evidence. And she might have been killed anyway so it might not have been sacrifice. She never thought she was or was not going to die otherwise she would have gone "I'm sure I will survive" then she would have thought she would survive.

Tifa: He'll be fine. He seems to be doing a little better now

Emphasis on the word SEEMS it doesn't directly say he is.

[Ryushikaze]

Could you please provide evidence of this, or are you trying to tell me you yourself worked on the film...

For the 'Cloud left as quarentine/ protection of others'

At the end of FFVII, Cloud saved the world and was on the way to a happy ending but, in the two years towards AC, he returned to the way he was in the past. What happened to him?
Nojima: Cloud never had a boring personality in the first place so when he started living with Tifa and started out his *job, the peaceful life that he had never experienced before made him anxious. During that time, he also contracted **Geostigma so it's to protect the ones precious to him or not, he had to face death and ran away.

As for 'Geostigma is perceived as punishment', All I can locate at the moment are lines about The wolf representing Cloud's guilt and his searching for forgiveness from those he has failed. I haven't looked that widely though, yet, and I think the relevant quote is in Reunion files, which I don't have at the moment.

erm... where? when? evidence? she knew it was risky when she went off alone and wherether or not she thought she wasnt going to die the fact remains that had she not acted in the way she had then she would not have been killed thus she was sacrificed.

Aerith Did Not Sacrifice Herself-

One of the larger misperceptions of Final Fantasy VII is that Aerith
intentionally sacrifced herself for the Planet, knowing that her death would
be needed in order to save the world. This was simply not the case.

In the May 2003 issue of EDGE magazine (issue 123), there is a six-page
"Making of..." feature on Final Fantasy VII in which Yoshinori Kitase
Director and Co-Scenario Writer of Final Fantasy VII) and Tetsuya Nomura
(Character Designer of Final Fantasy VII) were interviewed and asked about
various points concerning Aerith's death. During the course of this interview,
Nomura says the following:

"Back at the time we were designing the game, I was frustrated with the
perennial cliche where the protagonist loves someone very much and so has to
sacrifice himself and die in a dramatic fashion to express that love. We found
this was the case in both games and movies, both eastern and western. But I
wanted to say something different, something realistic. I mean, is it right to
set such an example to people?"

Kitase follows that up with this:
"In the real world, things are very different. You just need to look around
you. Nobody wants to die that way. People die of disease and accident. Death
comes suddenly and there is no notion of good or bad attached to it. It leaves
not a dramatic feeling, but a feeling of emptiness. When you lose someone you
loved very much you feel this big empty space and think 'If I had known this
was coming I would have done things differently.' These are the feelings I
wanted to arouse in the players with Aerith's death relatively early in the
game. Feelings of reality and not Hollywood."

With Kitase's words about death being unexpected in mind, consider Cloud's
dream in which he speaks to Aerith in the Sleeping Forest. Aerith intended to
handle Sephiroth on her own, and then come back:

Aerith
"And let me handle Sephiroth."

Aerith
"And Cloud, you take care of yourself."

Aerith
"So you don't have a breakdown, okay?"

Cloud
"What is this place?"

Aerith
"This forest leads to the City of the Ancients... and is called
Sleeping Forest."

Aerith
"It's only a matter of time before Sephiroth uses Meteor."
"That's why I'm going to protect it. Only a survivor of the Cetra,
like me, can do it."


Aerith
"The secret is just up here."

Aerith
"At least it should be. ...I feel it. It feels like I'm being led by
something."

Aerith
"Then, I'll be going now. I'll come back when it's all over."


Also consider Tifa's insight into her friend's intentions:

Tifa
"I wonder what Aerith felt... when she was on that altar...?"

Cloud
"I'm sure she wanted to give her life for the planet..."

Tifa
"Really? I wonder? I don't think that's it at all."
"I think she didn't think she would die at all, but that she planned
on coming back all along."
"She always used to talk about the 'Next time'."
"She talked about the future more that any of us..."


The in-game dialogue of Final Fantasy VII not only serves to contradict the
notion that Aerith sacrificed herself, but the words of two of the game's core
developers establishes that she did not sacrifice herself.

how may i ask was Cloud suposed to know that he had crap security.

He could have, Y'know, investigated.

the reason the he sneaked in there is that had he stormed in there just like that the Don could have been holding Tifa hostage its not like Cloud knew that did he.

No, but if not for Aerith insisting that crossdressing was the only way, he may have, Y'know, looked for a back way in, like they did with the by common sense more heavily guarded Shinra building.

And Aerith enjoyed dressing him up far too much, and lying to people about Cloud's 'habits'.

what was she suposed to say "oh i need a dress for my friend here so we can sneak into the Dons place and beat the crap out of his men" call me stupid but i just dont think that would work.

she also gave a flower and 1 gil to Jonny, she "swindled" the other guy cause he only spoke to her to try and get her number she probly found him to be lecherous thus the hefty price tag.

Because lechery is an entirely valid reason for a 5000% price hike. ::rolls eyes::

how did she take advantage of cloud may I ask? and before you say that you said perhaps, id like to know what makes you think she could have, name a situation when this "perhaps" could have happened

When you explain why you even brought up 'taking advantage', I'll explain why I responded as I did. A hint though: I'm not seriously advocating taking advantage or a rebuff. I'm just trying to get your goat because you're treating this so seriously, and I'm enjoying devil's advocacy at the moment.

You will note that Fury Brand is her 2/2 limit break and could be learned very easyly with a minimum of 80 kills to get her 2/1 skill and then when you do get that you can charge her limit break up and use it all in the same battle the amount of times it is neccisary

Unless you give all the kills to Aerith, the XP gain from those 80+ enemies will cause a decent amount of levelling. Then getting those other 8 L2 limits so early will be a rather big waste of time. Nevermind that Limits really aren't useful at all until rather later in the game to begin with. Yes, they can be helpful, but they're hardly gamebreakers until you get the multihitters later on.

i assume you mean about her actions in the golden saucer here let me refreash your memory with the game script:
-snip-

Aerith: …I think he's mad.

Tifa: He'll be fine. He seems to be doing a little better now.

It may have helped, but teasing the large man with a gun arm with anger issues and then only thinking he might be mad? Seriously.

and why may I ask should she be considerate to Tseng? he tried to kidnap her on many many occasions.

The man had just been half killed by Sephiroth, she considered him a friend, and the first thing she does is chastise him.

Ok. you keep telling yourself that :greenie:

If you insist that there is a contradiction, explain what it is.

Erm no... i didnt bring this up:

You still brought it up before I did.

for starters Tifa would thrash Aeris in a fight she was only good for healing but i think her characters more intresting Tifa is just a girl with big tits and a big punch haha! but i liked them both.

Wow... How indredibly.... shallow of you.

[TRANS_AM409]

these arguments are gettin crazy some of you are acting as if shes your sister damn.

[Pure Aerisbeauty7]

I'm sorry but I don't think that Aeris is a bad character to use. She wanted to help out the party in anyway she can. Her Limit breaks helped the party out alot. She is kind and sweet and she wanted the world to be safe. The best thing about her is that she never gave up hope.

P.S.: Please don't hurt me.

[TRANS_AM409]

aeris isnt that bad y'know

[f f freak]

aeris isnt that bad y'know

To some people she is. It is your opinion that she isn't that bad. To some it is their opinion that she was that bad.