For all Aeris haters

[Carl the Llama]

For the 'Cloud left as quarentine/ protection of others'

At the end of FFVII, Cloud saved the world and was on the way to a happy ending but, in the two years towards AC, he returned to the way he was in the past. What happened to him?
Nojima: Cloud never had a boring personality in the first place so when he started living with Tifa and started out his *job, the peaceful life that he had never experienced before made him anxious. During that time, he also contracted **Geostigma so it's to protect the ones precious to him or not, he had to face death and ran away.

As for 'Geostigma is perceived as punishment', All I can locate at the moment are lines about The wolf representing Cloud's guilt and his searching for forgiveness from those he has failed. I haven't looked that widely though, yet, and I think the relevant quote is in Reunion files, which I don't have at the moment.

I think youll find that his punishment (or what cloud perseevs as his punishment) is the fact that he has lost his edge to fight, which as quoted in the film he regained after forgiveing himself.

The Aeris sacrificeing herself is irelivent I mearly stated this as people dont agree that she is a saint when if someone saves the planet (or dies in the trying, id think that would be pretty saintly.

He could have, Y'know, investigated.

all the while Tifa is at risk,its much easyer just to dress up like a girl and be done with it. besides like I said before it was very nessisary because tifa needed 3 people who she could trust to be in the lineup Aerith 1 Cloud 2 and Tifa 3 its simple.

No, but if not for Aerith insisting that crossdressing was the only way, he may have, Y'know, looked for a back way in, like they did with the by common sense more heavily guarded Shinra building.

a back enterence? i think not, as you see the dons place was backed onto the pillar/wall/whatever it is so how may I ask was he suposed to get it, plus your forgetting one all important thing: the game designers desided to put Cloud into a dress nothing else, had there been another way around it im sure they would have done it that way but they did not.

Besides why does it make a difference if Cloud gets changed into a dress? does it in any way hinder the game? no. it does not. if anything it proves how important Tifa is to him as he is willing to do anything to protect her.

Because lechery is an entirely valid reason for a 5000% price hike. ::rolls eyes:: 5000% rise?

she sells the flowers at what she desides to, considering they only grow in one place in the whole of Midagar she can charge whatever she wants for them and they would still be a reasonable price. you will note that she charged one guy 200 gil for a flower, and you will also note that she was most likely trying to get rid of the lecherous guy and decided the best way was to charge him an extrodinary price, its his problem if he decides to pay it.

You will note that Fury Brand is her 2/2 limit break and could be learned very easyly with a minimum of 80 kills to get her 2/1 skill and then when you do get that you can charge her limit break up and use it all in the same battle the amount of times it is neccisary

Unless you give all the kills to Aerith

It may have helped, but teasing the large man with a gun arm with anger issues and then only thinking he might be mad? Seriously.

It helped. end of subject.

why may I ask should she be considerate to Tseng? he tried to kidnap her on many many occasions.

The man had just been half killed by Sephiroth, she considered him a friend, and the first thing she does is chastise him.

yes she chastise's him, when a friend or a loved one does somthing stupid that could have gotten them killed, like say your son or whoever desides to avenge someone and could have very likely been killed in the process you would do that same. yes I know its not the same situation but the point is.

Ok. you keep telling yourself that

If you insist that there is a contradiction, explain what it is.

no, I dont think I will, hence why I said what I said: I can not be bothered. you contradicted yourself end of subject.

Erm no... i didnt bring this up:

You still brought it up before I did.

just because I comment on somthing while most of it is directed at you not all of it is, you decided to think it was for you to reply to then its your problem not mine.

for starters Tifa would thrash Aeris in a fight she was only good for healing but i think her characters more intresting Tifa is just a girl with big tits and a big punch haha! but i liked them both.

When you explain why you even brought up 'taking advantage', I'll explain why I responded as I did. A hint though: I'm not seriously advocating taking advantage or a rebuff. I'm just trying to get your goat because you're treating this so seriously, and I'm enjoying devil's advocacy at the moment.

Wow... How indredibly.... shallow of you.

[Ryushikaze]

I think youll find that his punishment (or what cloud perseevs as his punishment) is the fact that he has lost his edge to fight, which as quoted in the film he regained after forgiveing himself.

Evidence, si vous plait. I think you're confusing the 'punishment' with its side effects.

The Aeris sacrificeing herself is irelivent I mearly stated this as people dont agree that she is a saint when if someone saves the planet (or dies in the trying, id think that would be pretty saintly.

The entire party is a saint by that logic. Reeve is not a saint. Barret is not a saint. Yuffie is not a saint. The logic does not follow.

all the while Tifa is at risk,its much easyer just to dress up like a girl and be done with it. besides like I said before it was very nessisary because tifa needed 3 people who she could trust to be in the lineup Aerith 1 Cloud 2 and Tifa 3 its simple.

So, 'waste time' scouting out the defenses, or 'waste time' looking for a dress, and head in blind.

a back enterence? i think not, as you see the dons place was backed onto the pillar/wall/whatever it is so how may I ask was he suposed to get it, plus your forgetting one all important thing: the game designers desided to put Cloud into a dress nothing else, had there been another way around it im sure they would have done it that way but they did not.

They put Cloud in a dress for the humor value, not the tactical value.
Besides, by 'back' entrance, I mean any non primary entrance.

Besides why does it make a difference if Cloud gets changed into a dress? does it in any way hinder the game? no. it does not. if anything it proves how important Tifa is to him as he is willing to do anything to protect her.

Yes, it does. This does not, however, suffice under SOD.

she sells the flowers at what she desides to, considering they only grow in one place in the whole of Midagar she can charge whatever she wants for them and they would still be a reasonable price. you will note that she charged one guy 200 gil for a flower, and you will also note that she was most likely trying to get rid of the lecherous guy and decided the best way was to charge him an extrodinary price, its his problem if he decides to pay it.

She has Midgar grown flowers, but she does not have an absolute monopoly on flowers in midgard, as they could easily be imported for little cost from Kalm, grown on the disc in imported soil as Reeve's mother did. A markup of that ridiculous cost is highway robbery and 'lechery' is no excuse.
Even if she did have a monopoly, that's STILL no excuse to charge such disparate prices based on clientele.

You did not respond to the Limit break issue. so concession accepted.

It helped. end of subject.

No, Tifa said it seemed to help. This does not prove it helped, and Barret running off in a huff suggests otherwise.
And it was STILL insensitive.

Now, closure with Dyne. I think that helped.

yes she chastise's him, when a friend or a loved one does somthing stupid that could have gotten them killed, like say your son or whoever desides to avenge someone and could have very likely been killed in the process you would do that same. yes I know its not the same situation but the point is.

If your son is bleeding profusely, first thing you do is make sure he's okay. The chastisement can come when they are better.

no, I dont think I will, hence why I said what I said: I can not be bothered. you contradicted yourself end of subject.

If you cannot back up your point, do not attempt to make it. If

just because I comment on somthing while most of it is directed at you not all of it is, you decided to think it was for you to reply to then its your problem not mine.

Wait, where the hell did this exclusivity of response come from? And problem? How is this a problem?

[TRANS_AM409]

Tifa is better its done and over ha!

[Carl the Llama]

The Aeris sacrificeing herself is irelivent I mearly stated this as people dont agree that she is a saint when if someone saves the planet (or dies in the trying, id think that would be pretty saintly.

The entire party is a saint by that logic. Reeve is not a saint. Barret is not a saint. Yuffie is not a saint. The logic does not follow.

right lets get this straight
Yuffie was there for the Materia
Reeve was there to spy on cloud and the gang
Barret was there cause he wanted revenge on the Shin Ra
Tifa was there because she wanted revenge on Sephiroth
Cloud was there for the same as Tifa
Cid was there cause he was a lunatic (and possibly was very pissed off at the Shin Ra)

Aerith was there... wait a minute why was Aerith there? did she have any reason to fight for the planet? no? but she did? THAT is what id call saintly.

So, 'waste time' scouting out the defenses, or 'waste time' looking for a dress, and head in blind.

In Final Fantasy VIII when in the missle base with Selphie do you A. go in disguise and try to fool everyone you come across or B. Storm in and kill everyone I should think the answer should be evident

They put Cloud in a dress for the humor value, not the tactical value.
Besides, by 'back' entrance, I mean any non primary entrance.

Then why oh why is this an issue?

Besides why does it make a difference if Cloud gets changed into a dress? does it in any way hinder the game? no. it does not. if anything it proves how important Tifa is to him as he is willing to do anything to protect her.

Yes, it does. This does not, however, suffice under SOD.

erm? what?

She has Midgar grown flowers, but she does not have an absolute monopoly on flowers in midgard, as they could easily be imported for little cost from Kalm, grown on the disc in imported soil as Reeve's mother did. A markup of that ridiculous cost is highway robbery and 'lechery' is no excuse.
Even if she did have a monopoly, that's STILL no excuse to charge such disparate prices based on clientele.

your still missing the point, you said that this was an example of her attitude but you fail to mention the fact that that she gave jonny a flower for free and she also gave him a gil, then comes this lecherous guy and starts to piss her off and wants to buy flowers she thinks "I dont want to sell to this guy, Oh I know lets charge him a ridiculas price in the hopes that he will go away" but sadly her plan fails asl the saying goes Cest la vie

You did not respond to the Limit break issue. so concession accepted.

I must have accidently deleted it but since you refreashed my memory ill point a few things out to you.

Unless you give all the kills to Aerith, the XP gain from those 80+ enemies will cause a decent amount of levelling. Then getting those other 8 L2 limits so early will be a rather big waste of time. Nevermind that Limits really aren't useful at all until rather later in the game to begin with. Yes, they can be helpful, but they're hardly gamebreakers until you get the multihitters later on.

Just because I have it doesnt mean that I think everyone should do the same, what are you telling me by the time your team gets to the Demon Gate that they all are still on the level 1 limit breaks? i think not, all you have to do is use Aerith in battle (like say give her the Enemy Skill materia learn Matra Magic and bobs your farthers brother. Incidently i have just turned on my playstation and given FFVII another wack and was just in the mythril mines and i got into a few fights there (9 to be exact) and it avrages out that with 4 people you get 220 exp from 1 fight times that by 20 and you get 4400 exp for about 80 kills now call me dumb but that is not a lot of exp by any stretch of the imagination. Aerith + ES + matra = alot of dead monsters.

It helped. end of subject.

No, Tifa said it seemed to help. This does not prove it helped, and Barret running off in a huff suggests otherwise.
And it was STILL insensitive.

as quoted by me she was trying to help Barret, your trying to get off on a technicality. it did help him: he ran off in a huff cause he was close to being cheered up and wanted to keep his bad mood (aka he wanted to sulk) cmon when your in a bad mood and pissed off when someone eventually tries to cheer you up you dont want to be cheered up but in the end you cant help it and break into a smile, this is what I feel was about to happen to Barret.

Now, closure with Dyne. I think that helped.

Amazeing... somthing that we both agree upon.

If your son is bleeding profusely, first thing you do is make sure he's okay. The chastisement can come when they are better.

Ok, i used that as an example but anyways. the Shin Ra were obviously close at hand so she didnt need to help him (and more importantly Sephiroth was in the temple) so she had a go at him. he lived did he not?

If you cannot back up your point, do not attempt to make it. If

No my point has been made you contracdicted yourself if you think otherwise then thats your problem. (im getting the strangest feeling of deja vu)

just because I comment on somthing while most of it is directed at you not all of it is, you decided to think it was for you to reply to then its your problem not mine.

Wait, where the hell did this exclusivity of response come from? And problem? How is this a problem?

It came from here:

Erm no... i didnt bring this up

You still brought it up before I did.

I wrote somthing in a previous message and you replyed to it thus you assumed I was talking to you.

In the end, Aerith saved the planet she died in the process and she didnt have a reason to fight but she did, she should have respect. Obviously this isnt going to happen by some of you but in the end I just dont give a damn what your opinions are in the end it all boils down to one person saying "I hate Aerith" and the other saying "I think she is great" the simple fact that millions of people have tried to revive her proves the fact that she is very much liked but you also get other people that just play the game just to see Aerith die but hey its your choice if you do or dont like her, and to coin a phrase "opinions are like assholes: we all have them"

[Dr. Acula]

Ok, as long and er... interesting as this Aeris conversation is, I think other people want to express their opinions. If you want to carry on this heated discussion, do you mind PMing?

[TRANS_AM409]

I THINK THATS A WONDERFUL IDEA THESE PEPLE ARE GOING KA-RAAZY

[Ryushikaze]

Well, if Reno wishes to continue, he can PM me- or make his own thread, if he wishes- but I have this post all ready and waiting, so...

right lets get this straight
Yuffie was there for the Materia
Reeve was there to spy on cloud and the gang
Barret was there cause he wanted revenge on the Shin Ra
Tifa was there because she wanted revenge on Sephiroth
Cloud was there for the same as Tifa
Cid was there cause he was a lunatic (and possibly was very pissed off at the Shin Ra)

And he backpedals.

if someone saves the planet (or dies in the trying, id think that would be pretty saintly.

what did these people do? THEY SAVED THE PLANET. You presented a point. I pointed out the logic in this point was not sound. You add additional terms instead of admitting error. Oi.

Aerith was there... wait a minute why was Aerith there? did she have any reason to fight for the planet? no? but she did? THAT is what id call saintly.

And Aerith had no reason to be cheesed off at either Shinra or Sephiroth? One killed her family, the other nearly killed one of her best friends.
Maybe she saved the world cause, hey, she lives there. Maybe she didn't have any good motives to save the world. You may say I'm being an asshole for suggesting this, but that's what you're doing by reducing the other character's motives to such simplistic bull.
And actually, saving the world isn't particularly saintly. It's only common sense. Bettering the world is 'saintly', though then again, 'saintly' is actually a rather specific descriptor, did Aerith ever show signs of Stigmata?

In Final Fantasy VIII when in the missle base with Selphie do you A. go in disguise and try to fool everyone you come across or B. Storm in and kill everyone I should think the answer should be evident

YAY! really valid point and i'm impressed by your thinking.! YAY! FALSE DICHOTOMY! Note I NEVER said he should storm in. I suggest Cloud take scout of the situation, especially since Corneo only had the one posted guard with a poor range of vision.

Then why oh why is this an issue?

Because from a suspension of disbelief perspective, it's a really dumb thing to do in the situation instead of using the same time to discreetly examine the enemy.

erm? what?

Suspension of disbelief. You pretend it's not fictional and treat it as if it were, say a documentary or security footage.

your still missing the point, you said that this was an example of her attitude but you fail to mention the fact that that she gave jonny a flower for free and she also gave him a gil, then comes this lecherous guy and starts to piss her off and wants to buy flowers she thinks "I dont want to sell to this guy, Oh I know lets charge him a ridiculas price in the hopes that he will go away" but sadly her plan fails asl the saying goes Cest la vie

Yes, it shows that she's willing to cheat a man out of 4999 gil instead of refusing to sell, an equally viable, more effective, and less assholic tactic, and by the by, she is more than willing to play favorites.

Just because I have it doesnt mean that I think everyone should do the same, what are you telling me by the time your team gets to the Demon Gate that they all are still on the level 1 limit breaks? i think not, all you have to do is use Aerith in battle (like say give her the Enemy Skill materia learn Matra Magic and bobs your farthers brother. Incidently i have just turned on my playstation and given FFVII another wack and was just in the mythril mines and i got into a few fights there (9 to be exact) and it avrages out that with 4 people you get 220 exp from 1 fight times that by 20 and you get 4400 exp for about 80 kills now call me dumb but that is not a lot of exp by any stretch of the imagination. Aerith + ES + matra = alot of dead monsters.

I never said it was hard. I said it was a waste of time, that limits were not useful enough to waste the time for them so early in the game, and that the L2 limits are signifigantly harder to get to mid battle at that stage in the game than the L1, and that most limits at that point are quite simply, redundant.

as quoted by me she was trying to help Barret, your trying to get off on a technicality. it did help him: he ran off in a huff cause he was close to being cheered up and wanted to keep his bad mood (aka he wanted to sulk) cmon when your in a bad mood and pissed off when someone eventually tries to cheer you up you dont want to be cheered up but in the end you cant help it and break into a smile, this is what I feel was about to happen to Barret.

Was she trying to help? Or was she thinking Barret was being a stick in the mud, and Tifa realized that she helped without intending to. All of THIS is highly discussable, and entirely off the point. I only bring them up for added discussion. THE POINT, good sir, was that she chose an INCREDIBLY insensitive method to use, whatever her intent may or may not have been. The ends do not justify the means.

Ok, i used that as an example but anyways. the Shin Ra were obviously close at hand so she didnt need to help him (and more importantly Sephiroth was in the temple) so she had a go at him. he lived did he not?

They were? Funny... I never saw them outside, Elena was running back to Midgar to report... and that he lived isn't the issue. She should have checked. Worried. Treated his wounds, instead of hoping that the turks might help him later.

I mean, heck, VINCENT showed more care for the Turks he barely knew than she did for Tseng, and Aerith is supposedly the dedicated healer type.

No my point has been made you contracdicted yourself if you think otherwise then thats your problem. (im getting the strangest feeling of deja vu)

Due to your failure to support your claim in any way, shape, or form, your concession is hereby accepted. If you claim I made a mistake, explain how, or shut it. I have little patience for substanceless ad homs.

I wrote somthing in a previous message and you replyed to it thus you assumed I was talking to you.

Okay. Let me explain something. This is a message board. People can, and will, interject into conversations all the time. I did this. I did not assume you were talking to me. It didn't even cross my mind. You addressed a point. I addressed that same point in rebuttal. That you're getting in a hissy about this is the perplexing part.

In the end, Aerith saved the planet she died in the process and she didnt have a reason to fight but she did, she should have respect. Obviously this isnt going to happen by some of you but in the end I just dont give a damn what your opinions are in the end it all boils down to one person saying "I hate Aerith" and the other saying "I think she is great" the simple fact that millions of people have tried to revive her proves the fact that she is very much liked but you also get other people that just play the game just to see Aerith die but hey its your choice if you do or dont like her, and to coin a phrase "opinions are like assholes: we all have them"

Okay, first off, false dichotomy. I don't hate Aerith. I think she's a snarky, flirty, possesive woman who made some incredibly STUPID decisions at the end of her life, but I do not hate her.
Nextly- Ad populum- That she is liked is not actually relevant to her character. People LOVE sephiroth.
After that'lly- She tried to save the world. This is all well and good. So did the entire rest of the party. No special pleading.
Lastly- Aerith is no more a saint than the rest of the party. Her character was human. With flaws. She, like the rest of the party, was trying to do the right thing- EVEN REEVE, EVEN YUFFIE, EVEN CID- Trying to place her on the little Mary Sue pedastal is a great disrespect not only to her character, but to everyone else's too.

[Dr. Acula]

I THINK THATS A WONDERFUL IDEA THESE PEPLE ARE GOING KA-RAAZY

Ya man. WORSE than crazy.

[Carl the Llama]

I go "Crazy" cause I get fed up with these pointless "I hate Aerith threads" when she has done (atleast in my eyes) absolutely nothing wrong... it sort of reminds me of the part in X-2 when beclem disrespects Yuna when she (and yes the group with her) saved the planet. I just do not get why you lot hate her so much that you would just wish to start a thread saying "Oh I hate Aerith because of this that and them etc" we all know that some of you do not like her but hey, Note some people (like Pure Aerisbeauty) is afraid to post her opinion for fear of being attacked by the Aerith haters at the end of the day EVERYONE either hates her likes her or just does not give a damn. Why is it such a big deal? I have no idea. these are the facts as I see them:

Aerith has had only one serious boyfriend (Zack) and we all know what happened to him, and then this guy comes a long and helps her out in any way he can she is reminded of her first boyfriend (I can imagin that she has had a pretty lonely childhood as she had always been "Different" and never had anyone to set an example from) and so she starts flirting with Cloud, its only natural if you were a woman in need of saveing then this dashing man comes in and saves you you might think yourself in love with him (especially when he reminds you of you once serious boyfriend) and naturally she tryes to latch onto him and gets caught up into saveing the world in the process does she shy away from her new responsibility no, she does all she can, she fights for the planet to the best of the ability, Hell she dies in the process now here is the thing... she used Holy and got killed, then Sephiroth tried to stop it being used in the northern crater and we know the rest is history, so why oh why do you hate her so? she is dead for crying out loud whats the big deal? some of you think she is insencitive? so I take it the people she is being insencitive to are perfect then? that they have made no mistakes, is that a no I think I hear? whats that I can also hear? everyone makes mistakes? a good point there wouldnt you say. Whats that im hearing now? She sucks in battle? she is one of the Cetra and as such has a strong magical ability (note materia holds the knoledge of the Ainchents) and as such is the ONLY one who could have used Holy, id love to see Cloud use it... oh yea thats right he cant. Oh whats this im hearing now? Nothing good came of Aerith? erm... what about Holy that saved the planet? or is that a bad thing she did saveing the planet? oh all of a sudden im hearing that she stole Cloud away from Tifa? now what do i suddenly hear? oh yes its out friend Mr. Game Script:

Tifa: …And you are? Hey you're the one with Cloud in the park…

Aerith: Right, with Cloud.

Tifa: Oh……

Aerith: Don't worry. We just met. It's nothing.

Tifa: What do you mean, 'Don't worry'…about what? No, don't misunderstand.
Cloud and I grew up together. Nothing more.

So did she steal Cloud away from her? his servy says! eeeerrrn

if she knew she was gonna die, y go after Cloud when ur gonna die?

She knew she was going to die did she? erm when did this happen? is being Psychic one of the abilitys of the Cetra? oh now whats this? she wanted to be happy as long as she could? hmm... what does that remind me of? Oh yea Yuna in FFX she knew she was going to die but she still latched onto Tidus, "Oh she is such a whore!" why shouldnt dieing people be happy? if you and your love rival are going after the same man and you discover your teminally ill do you still give up your one chance at happyness? no of corse you dont you try to grab life with both hands. But I supose that is a moot point as Aerith didnt know she was going to die.

It's not just that Aeris was vague and annoying while she was alive, she continued to screw things up for Cloud and Tifa after she was dead! When Aeris died and Cloud was all guilty I thought 'Great. Pack your bags everybody, we're going on a guilt trip!' A guilt trip that seemingly never ends in AC because Aeris refuses to simply DIE and stay DEAD. She won't allow anyone to get over her death it seems. Cry me a river, build me a bridge and get over it. This is a huge reason why I hate Aeris; she won't let people get on with their lives. Extremely annoying.

Wont let anyone get over her death? so what undead Aerith stood behind Cloud and suddenly she can read his mind (because lets not forget she is psychic now) and clouts him over the head saying "how dare you think you can get over my death" *clouts him some more just for good measure*

[Ryushikaze]

Let me say something quick here, Reno. It is Aerith's fans that have made her so hated.

The mary sue makers.

The little miss do no wrong preachers.

The "ZOMFG CLOUDXAERIS TWUE WUV" mindless morons.

The folks who couldn't let it go.

The people who get up in arms over a nearly ten year old plot point that's rather COMMON in the series, especially when much more plot important spoilers are treated without any gorram kid's gloves.

That is the reason such a backlash against her exists, because the otherwise neutral parties are SICK of hearing the [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img] from her supporters day in and day out.

THAT is why people exist who will point out that she's insensitive. That's she's snarky. That she latched onto the first thing that resembled her first boyfriend. That she did stupid things. That she wasn't a gorram saint. Not because they hate her. Because they hate the smegheads who won't shut up about her.

[Carl the Llama]

Before i reply to this I am going to apolagize for my loss of temper (after haveing 2 sleepless night due to tooth ache im a bit grouchie)

Let me say something quick here, Reno. It is Aerith's fans that have made her so hated.

The Aerith fans have made her hated? that is a complete load of Bollocks, if say that was true then why dont they say "I hate Aerith because of all the idiot fanboys/girls" the answer is that its not true do me a favor and do a search of this forum and find me the last time someone said somthing that would make people hate Aerith.

The mary sue makers.

The little miss do no wrong preachers.

The "ZOMFG CLOUDXAERIS TWUE WUV" mindless morons.

The folks who couldn't let it go.

If that were true the why the hell dont people hate Tifa ill set and example for you:

AERIS IS STUPID! AERIS IS STUPID! AERIS IS STUPID!

Aeris is an idiot! She was a block between Cloud and Tifa. I mean, if she knew she was gonna die, y go after Cloud when ur gonna die? She's just so dumb! And Cait Sith can smurf himself! HOW DARE HE say Cloud and Aerith r a perfect match!

TIFA KIX ASS! TIFA KIX ASS! TIFA KIX ASS!

End of story!

(I actually made Aeris melee Ruby Weapon once and that crazy bich won cuz I used Hero Drinks!!!)

The people who get up in arms over a nearly ten year old plot point that's rather COMMON in the series, especially when much more plot important spoilers are treated without any gorram kid's gloves.

hey buddy it works both ways, 99.99% of the time its the Aerith Haters that start the "For all Aerith hater" threads no tthe othe way around

That is the reason such a backlash against her exists, because the otherwise neutral parties are SICK of hearing the [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img] from her supporters day in and day out.

the [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img] from her suporters? tell me when was the last time your read somthing along the lines of "OMG AE!7H R0X3RS ANY1 DAT DUNT 4GR33 IS DA L053R" ill tell ya... about 10 or so years ago thats when

THAT is why people exist who will point out that she's insensitive. That's she's snarky. That she latched onto the first thing that resembled her first boyfriend. That she did stupid things. That she wasn't a gorram saint. Not because they hate her. Because they hate the smegheads who won't shut up about her.

What so because she latches onto the first thing that resembles her boyfriend she is a snark? that she is insensitive? excuse me, the first thing that resembled Zack was cloud and you will also note that she was 16 when she went out with him I cant remember if she is 21 or 22 now but after 5 or 6 years of waiting she deserves a little happyness dont you think? oh and I think less of you now because you simply try to goad me into an anger and call me pathetic names. when your ready to act like an adult I will speak to you again.

Word of the wise: Internet flameing is like the special olimpics: even if you win your still retarded.

[f f freak]

If that were true the why the hell dont people hate Tifa

Probalbly because there is actually some point in levelling Tifa up and getting Tifa's limit breaks. Tifa doesn't die so there is some point to doing those things.

[Griff]

Before i reply to this I am going to apolagize for my loss of temper (after haveing 2 sleepless night due to tooth ache im a bit grouchie)

Let me say something quick here, Reno. It is Aerith's fans that have made her so hated.

The Aerith fans have made her hated? that is a complete load of Bollocks, if say that was true then why dont they say "I hate Aerith because of all the idiot fanboys/girls" the answer is that its not true do me a favor and do a search of this forum and find me the last time someone said somthing that would make people hate Aerith.

The mary sue makers.

The little miss do no wrong preachers.

The "ZOMFG CLOUDXAERIS TWUE WUV" mindless morons.

The folks who couldn't let it go.

If that were true the why the hell dont people hate Tifa ill set and example for you:

AERIS IS STUPID! AERIS IS STUPID! AERIS IS STUPID!

Aeris is an idiot! She was a block between Cloud and Tifa. I mean, if she knew she was gonna die, y go after Cloud when ur gonna die? She's just so dumb! And Cait Sith can smurf himself! HOW DARE HE say Cloud and Aerith r a perfect match!

TIFA KIX ASS! TIFA KIX ASS! TIFA KIX ASS!

End of story!

(I actually made Aeris melee Ruby Weapon once and that crazy bich won cuz I used Hero Drinks!!!)

The people who get up in arms over a nearly ten year old plot point that's rather COMMON in the series, especially when much more plot important spoilers are treated without any gorram kid's gloves.

hey buddy it works both ways, 99.99% of the time its the Aerith Haters that start the "For all Aerith hater" threads no tthe othe way around

That is the reason such a backlash against her exists, because the otherwise neutral parties are SICK of hearing the [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img] from her supporters day in and day out.

the [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img] from her suporters? tell me when was the last time your read somthing along the lines of "OMG AE!7H R0X3RS ANY1 DAT DUNT 4GR33 IS DA L053R" ill tell ya... about 10 or so years ago thats when

THAT is why people exist who will point out that she's insensitive. That's she's snarky. That she latched onto the first thing that resembled her first boyfriend. That she did stupid things. That she wasn't a gorram saint. Not because they hate her. Because they hate the smegheads who won't shut up about her.

What so because she latches onto the first thing that resembles her boyfriend she is a snark? that she is insensitive? excuse me, the first thing that resembled Zack was cloud and you will also note that she was 16 when she went out with him I cant remember if she is 21 or 22 now but after 5 or 6 years of waiting she deserves a little happyness dont you think? oh and I think less of you now because you simply try to goad me into an anger and call me pathetic names. when your ready to act like an adult I will speak to you again.

Word of the wise: Internet flameing is like the special olimpics: even if you win your still retarded.

I am going to address this in parts simply because I'm too lazy to seperate quotes.
Part 1-While it is not my personal reason for not liking Aeris, I will agree that alot of people actually do hate Aeris because people overrate her, much like how people hate the game in general for the same reason. While there may not be any recent forum posts that would give one reason to hate Aeris, there are plenty of other websites or forums or even older "Tifa or Aeris" threads in this forum that do.
Part 2- There are still tonnes of people who hate Tifa, they are just less vocal on here. There is a Tifa hater for every Aeris hater. Both sets apparently take on some personality traits from their favourite. Aeris fans are henceforth usually calmer and more peaceful (I'm not saying all are this way) and Tifa fans are more vocal and looking for a fight (repeat previous bracket).
Part 3- No argument here, it is usually Aeris haters starting hate threads.
Part 4- Actually I read that thread about a week ago on another forum. Anyone who feels the need to make a stupid thread bashing a game character on either side of the spectrum really needs to rethink their priorities.
Part 5- I'm not going to respond to this part simply because it would get into the whole who Cloud loves thing, and since I actually thought Cloud was gay and didn't want either of them I feel no need. Although i will agree that Aeris has every right to hit on whoever she wants.

[Ryushikaze]

The Aerith fans have made her hated? that is a complete load of Bollocks, if say that was true then why dont they say "I hate Aerith because of all the idiot fanboys/girls" the answer is that its not true do me a favor and do a search of this forum and find me the last time someone said somthing that would make people hate Aerith.

There is a lot more than this forum, however, off the top of my head, a page back, people were acting as if Aerith was the innocent flower.

If that were true the why the hell dont people hate Tifa ill set and example for you:

You say that like there AREN'T a signifigant amount of Tifa haters on the web.
And in my experience, for what it is worth, there are a lot more annoying Aerith fans than Tifa fans.

hey buddy it works both ways, 99.99% of the time its the Aerith Haters that start the "For all Aerith hater" threads no tthe othe way around

And 62.5% of all statistics are made up on the spot to support a point. Anti Tifa threads get made, you know. I've seen them.

the [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img] from her suporters? tell me when was the last time your read somthing along the lines of "OMG AE!7H R0X3RS ANY1 DAT DUNT 4GR33 IS DA L053R" ill tell ya... about 10 or so years ago thats when

really valid point and i'm impressed by your thinking.. It doesn't have to contain 1337 to be irritating. And the last time I read something that insanely irritating? Earlier this week. Idunno if the thread still exists. The MB it was on has a high turnover rate.

What so because she latches onto the first thing that resembles her boyfriend she is a snark? that she is insensitive?

No. She is a snark. This is completely seperate from her latching onto Cloud, or her being insensitive.

excuse me, the first thing that resembled Zack was cloud and you will also note that she was 16 when she went out with him I cant remember if she is 21 or 22 now but after 5 or 6 years of waiting she deserves a little happyness dont you think?

Aerith waited for five years? I don't recall her ever stating that, and it doesn't seem that in line with her personality. Course, she did get some happiness. She got to go to the promised land and meet Zack again.

And upon further reflection, the comment that she latched onto the 'first' thing is not really well supported. For all we know there are a lot of people who superficially resemble Zack like Cloud did and she latched onto them all. It's unlikely, but possible. What should be said instead is that the reason she latched onto Cloud was because of his similarity to Zack. What can be said is that she was not disabused of the notion of his similarity until well after her death.

oh and I think less of you now because you simply try to goad me into an anger and call me pathetic names. when your ready to act like an adult I will speak to you again.

I'm not trying to goad you into anger. Nor am I calling you pathetic names. That you assumed I was referring to you is rather confusing. I was thinking about certain people when I wrote that, but you weren't any of them. Chill, dude.

Word of the wise: Internet flameing is like the special olimpics: even if you win your still retarded.

That's not the line, and even if it were, 'word for the wise', you are guilty of it flaming to.

[Pure Aerisbeauty7]

I agree with Reno. Aeris wanted to save the planet and she gave up her life to do so. She wanted everyone to be safe.