For all Aeris haters

[Ryushikaze]

Well, if Reno wishes to continue, he can PM me- or make his own thread, if he wishes- but I have this post all ready and waiting, so...

right lets get this straight
Yuffie was there for the Materia
Reeve was there to spy on cloud and the gang
Barret was there cause he wanted revenge on the Shin Ra
Tifa was there because she wanted revenge on Sephiroth
Cloud was there for the same as Tifa
Cid was there cause he was a lunatic (and possibly was very pissed off at the Shin Ra)

And he backpedals.

if someone saves the planet (or dies in the trying, id think that would be pretty saintly.

what did these people do? THEY SAVED THE PLANET. You presented a point. I pointed out the logic in this point was not sound. You add additional terms instead of admitting error. Oi.

Aerith was there... wait a minute why was Aerith there? did she have any reason to fight for the planet? no? but she did? THAT is what id call saintly.

And Aerith had no reason to be cheesed off at either Shinra or Sephiroth? One killed her family, the other nearly killed one of her best friends.
Maybe she saved the world cause, hey, she lives there. Maybe she didn't have any good motives to save the world. You may say I'm being an asshole for suggesting this, but that's what you're doing by reducing the other character's motives to such simplistic bull.
And actually, saving the world isn't particularly saintly. It's only common sense. Bettering the world is 'saintly', though then again, 'saintly' is actually a rather specific descriptor, did Aerith ever show signs of Stigmata?

In Final Fantasy VIII when in the missle base with Selphie do you A. go in disguise and try to fool everyone you come across or B. Storm in and kill everyone I should think the answer should be evident

YAY! really valid point and i'm impressed by your thinking.! YAY! FALSE DICHOTOMY! Note I NEVER said he should storm in. I suggest Cloud take scout of the situation, especially since Corneo only had the one posted guard with a poor range of vision.

Then why oh why is this an issue?

Because from a suspension of disbelief perspective, it's a really dumb thing to do in the situation instead of using the same time to discreetly examine the enemy.

erm? what?

Suspension of disbelief. You pretend it's not fictional and treat it as if it were, say a documentary or security footage.

your still missing the point, you said that this was an example of her attitude but you fail to mention the fact that that she gave jonny a flower for free and she also gave him a gil, then comes this lecherous guy and starts to piss her off and wants to buy flowers she thinks "I dont want to sell to this guy, Oh I know lets charge him a ridiculas price in the hopes that he will go away" but sadly her plan fails asl the saying goes Cest la vie

Yes, it shows that she's willing to cheat a man out of 4999 gil instead of refusing to sell, an equally viable, more effective, and less assholic tactic, and by the by, she is more than willing to play favorites.

Just because I have it doesnt mean that I think everyone should do the same, what are you telling me by the time your team gets to the Demon Gate that they all are still on the level 1 limit breaks? i think not, all you have to do is use Aerith in battle (like say give her the Enemy Skill materia learn Matra Magic and bobs your farthers brother. Incidently i have just turned on my playstation and given FFVII another wack and was just in the mythril mines and i got into a few fights there (9 to be exact) and it avrages out that with 4 people you get 220 exp from 1 fight times that by 20 and you get 4400 exp for about 80 kills now call me dumb but that is not a lot of exp by any stretch of the imagination. Aerith + ES + matra = alot of dead monsters.

I never said it was hard. I said it was a waste of time, that limits were not useful enough to waste the time for them so early in the game, and that the L2 limits are signifigantly harder to get to mid battle at that stage in the game than the L1, and that most limits at that point are quite simply, redundant.

as quoted by me she was trying to help Barret, your trying to get off on a technicality. it did help him: he ran off in a huff cause he was close to being cheered up and wanted to keep his bad mood (aka he wanted to sulk) cmon when your in a bad mood and pissed off when someone eventually tries to cheer you up you dont want to be cheered up but in the end you cant help it and break into a smile, this is what I feel was about to happen to Barret.

Was she trying to help? Or was she thinking Barret was being a stick in the mud, and Tifa realized that she helped without intending to. All of THIS is highly discussable, and entirely off the point. I only bring them up for added discussion. THE POINT, good sir, was that she chose an INCREDIBLY insensitive method to use, whatever her intent may or may not have been. The ends do not justify the means.

Ok, i used that as an example but anyways. the Shin Ra were obviously close at hand so she didnt need to help him (and more importantly Sephiroth was in the temple) so she had a go at him. he lived did he not?

They were? Funny... I never saw them outside, Elena was running back to Midgar to report... and that he lived isn't the issue. She should have checked. Worried. Treated his wounds, instead of hoping that the turks might help him later.

I mean, heck, VINCENT showed more care for the Turks he barely knew than she did for Tseng, and Aerith is supposedly the dedicated healer type.

No my point has been made you contracdicted yourself if you think otherwise then thats your problem. (im getting the strangest feeling of deja vu)

Due to your failure to support your claim in any way, shape, or form, your concession is hereby accepted. If you claim I made a mistake, explain how, or shut it. I have little patience for substanceless ad homs.

I wrote somthing in a previous message and you replyed to it thus you assumed I was talking to you.

Okay. Let me explain something. This is a message board. People can, and will, interject into conversations all the time. I did this. I did not assume you were talking to me. It didn't even cross my mind. You addressed a point. I addressed that same point in rebuttal. That you're getting in a hissy about this is the perplexing part.

In the end, Aerith saved the planet she died in the process and she didnt have a reason to fight but she did, she should have respect. Obviously this isnt going to happen by some of you but in the end I just dont give a damn what your opinions are in the end it all boils down to one person saying "I hate Aerith" and the other saying "I think she is great" the simple fact that millions of people have tried to revive her proves the fact that she is very much liked but you also get other people that just play the game just to see Aerith die but hey its your choice if you do or dont like her, and to coin a phrase "opinions are like assholes: we all have them"

Okay, first off, false dichotomy. I don't hate Aerith. I think she's a snarky, flirty, possesive woman who made some incredibly STUPID decisions at the end of her life, but I do not hate her.
Nextly- Ad populum- That she is liked is not actually relevant to her character. People LOVE sephiroth.
After that'lly- She tried to save the world. This is all well and good. So did the entire rest of the party. No special pleading.
Lastly- Aerith is no more a saint than the rest of the party. Her character was human. With flaws. She, like the rest of the party, was trying to do the right thing- EVEN REEVE, EVEN YUFFIE, EVEN CID- Trying to place her on the little Mary Sue pedastal is a great disrespect not only to her character, but to everyone else's too.