For all Aeris haters

[Tg.cid]

I agree. Thank you. This was getting WAY too outta hand.
Now, Aeris was quite a nice character, and, sure, it would have been nice if she didn't die (or STAY DEAD after she had died), but it's something you can't change. Most people say "If they make a remake for ff7 on the ps3, they should make Aeris revivable!" No, they should not. It would ruin the whole concept of her death. Not only that, but in real life can bring the dead back alive? No? And for those who say, "But it isn't real life!" that's true, but I think Square tried to make it at least a little lifelike. Therefore Aeris should not be revived.
Sorry if I was going off topic, but I have many opinions to express and I have already told everyone what I think of Aeris in the previous posts. I just thought that this was a topic that needed clearing up.

1. ofcourse it isnt real life the game is called final fantasy so reviving aries is possiable but i agree it would ruin the story line:strut: :evilking:

[Carl the Llama]

As for how equipment matters, to this, Aerith, even assuming you shark her into the last disc, will have only 7 weapon slots for materia, while everyone else can have 8, meaning she can do less with materia than anyone else, reducing how much she can actually take advantage of her Mag with good materia combos.

cant take advantage of it with 1 less slot in materia? of corse you can take for instance, say is she did live she could easyly take on Emerald weapon and win without breaking a sweat look KotR+HP Absorb (2slots) Mime+Counter (4slots) oh wow look at that, 4 slots for the ultimate materia comboi mean comeon, do you really need more then the 8slot Wizard Bangle for materia combo's? the answer is quite obviously no also lets not forget the master materia'swhich take up a measly 3 slots, then all you need he weapon slots for are E.Skill and Mega All (thats Independant and doesnt need to be pared with anything) so haveing 1 slot less is not a problem in the slightest.

And I have to agree. Great Gospel is incredibly cheap. So is holy war, and to a lesser extent since it's random, so is invincible moon. They all take the stategy out of any fight they get used in. Of course, having Great Gospel for disc one is like having Holy War or Invincible moon on disc one of FF8. Utterly redundant, like most limits are at that point in the game in FF7.
And 'useful for ruby weapon', sure. But she's not available for Ruby. And if she was available for the entirety of the game, her limits would almost certainly be incredibly watered down, to fit the balance of the later game. As is, her limits have to be as they are to warrant trying to build up for them during such a time frame of usability, and even then they're largely redundant.

well thats your opinion, not really bothered if you like it or not.

And you can be a fanatic and 'fanboi' without being incoherent or employing 1337.

lets find out about that. link

Oh yeah, and saying "the creator of the website thinks it's great" is an appeal to authority.

how is it an appeal to authority? I was mearly stateing a fact.

Most people say "If they make a remake for ff7 on the ps3, they should make Aeris revivable!" No, they should not. It would ruin the whole concept of her death. Not only that, but in real life can bring the dead back alive? No? And for those who say, "But it isn't real life!" that's true, but I think Square tried to make it at least a little lifelike. Therefore Aeris should not be revived.

I agree with everything you said apart from 1 thing... I havent read a single post where someone says they should make Aerith reviveable.

Why is that, for a great deal of people Final Fantasy VII IS the greatest, its all a matter of opinion when it comes down to it, and id bet that if you did a servey with people who have never played a FF in thier lives that they would say FFVII is said to be the best

And this is what annoys me. Exactly what authority does someone who hasn't played any other FF in the series have in saying that FFVII is the best? Really, to claim that FFVII is the best RPG ever is rather ridiculous when you consider that one would have had to have PLAYED every RPG to fairly judge it.

Erm hello, did you even read my post? I did not say the the people that havent played the game say that it is the best, only that it is SAID to be the best.. not what do you think that means... well regardless ill tell you anyway, it means that a very great deal of people talk about there faveriot games to thier friends which mean FFVII is VERY much liked and is most likely the most liked FF in the entire series. simple logic no?

Not to mention the fact that FFVII, and FF games in general, don't really fit the traditional definition of 'RPGs' anyway...

lmao... ok what would you consider the traditional definition of RPG's?

I dont know about you but I DO consider VII to be the best, I personally feel the reason many many people (like yourself for instance) feel that VII isnt the best is purely because of the Fanboi's (please note I class a fan boi someone that speaks in 1337 language and cap's) just because so many fug heads like it doesnt mean it isnt a great game.

Altho saying that I am pretty irational jkjk

Fanboys annoy me, but it's certainly not why I don't consider FFVII to be the best; I would hate to think that people would actually base their opinions on something like that. The reason FFVII doesn't rate too highly with me is, pure and simply, I consider other FF games to be more thoughtfully constructed.

Fair enough if thats your opinion, im not going to try to convince you to like a game when it obviously isnt going to work.

I did not intend this thread for constant debates over stats and limit breaks. Half of the stuff on this thread shouldn't even belong here. Aeris limit breaks are good and I aknowledge that and respect her for that but that's not the point-Limit breaks are good over all SO DON'T USE LIMIT BREAKS AS EVIDENCE THAT AERIS IS GOOD!!

Im sorry you feel that way but for every 2 people that dont like her for her personality there is a 1 that doesnt like her for her fighting ability. and as such should be disscussed, sorry if you dont like this but you should expect people to speak there views, cmon you post it on a message bord, if you want it to go the way you want it to go then post it in you user notes (where you can delete anything you dont want to be in there).

I originally intended this thread to be about why people don't like Aeris and why based on her PERSONALITY not her stats or MP and such. I must admit I did not make this clear when I made this thread and now truly regret for not doing so. Stop saying that there is no reason to hate Aeris based on her stats and limit breaks-what did you think of the character herself?

well to be fair, even if you did say this you would still get people saying they disslike her because of her battle ability, and you couldnt do anything to stop them, sorry if you dont like this but it is a public message forum and if people wish to express there opinion then it is thier right to do so.

Wont let anyone get over her death? so what undead Aerith stood behind Cloud and suddenly she can read his mind (because lets not forget she is psychic now) and clouts him over the head saying "how dare you think you can get over my death" *clouts him some more just for good measure*

In my opinion, when a character dies, they're out of the picture completely. With Aeris, this is not the case. She comes back the first time...I'm surprised. Then she comes back again and again...and the surprise turns into irritation. Even though Aeris has good intentions and wants to help Cloud, her 'visits' have an adverse affect.

Her Visits? guy what are you talking about? in the game she never 'Visited' him , she was dead, and its not like Cloud (or any of the party for that matter) is going to get over her death untill Sephiroth is in the grave. I mean if your friend/love interest/whatever was killed right infront of your eyes then you wouldnt forget about it for a long time.

I think it's safe to say that we all want the main character to have a happy life. With Aeris coming back all the time she's actually inspiring more guilt and depression in Cloud making it harder and harder for him to just let her go.

Again I have to ask... what are you talking about? when does she "come back to him"?

I'm not Aeris' biggest fan but it seems like you're being completely irrational.
1. She looks nothing like a tart
2. She is vague because she only has a limited amount of screen time
3. What good reason is there for her being annoying?
4. You can't expect a 22 year old flower girl to be as strong as a 6ft 5' macho man like Barret
5. No I don't share your opinion

Do you really know what I mean when I call her a tart?! DO YOU?! I meant as an unsavory character. For reasons of why I think she is annoying see above.

unsavory character? guy what the hell are you talking about? she is a flower girl for crying out loud, if you brought a flower girl that dressed and acted like Aerith your mum would most likely be very happy for you. I know my mum would.

tart ( P ) Pronunciation Key (tärt)
n.

A prostitute.
A woman considered to be sexually promiscuous.

I do not expect her to be as macho as Barret but that's a very unbalanced comparison anyway. I found that she hindered rather than helped the group as it was difficult to keep her alive (excluding limit breaks). And yet you have to have her in your active group to level her to make sure she's powerful enough to survive in the Temple.

difficult to keep her alive? how can you say that 99% of the battles were over after just 1 turn for each enemy and if for instance you had Matra Magic on her then you were sorted all the way to Jueno so no your "she is difficult to keep alive in battle is a complete load of rubbish.

Also, with her little HP and little damage the only thing I found her useful for was limit breaks and story plot. I found her vague especially in one situation during the date at the Golden Suacer. The conversation went roughly like this:
Aeris:Cloud, I want to meet..you
Cloud: I'm right here.
Aeris: (I know, I know, what I mean...) I mean I want to meet ... you.
WTF? Vague? Yes. Clear? No. and such a theme permeates some of the deeper things she says. So yes she was vague.

Vague? she obviously knew Cloud was hideing inside himself (remember he said he was in soldier but in actual fact he wasnt, she obviously knew that and that was why she said what she said: she wanted to meet the real Cloud. I should think that would be obvious to anyone who thinks these things through.

As for #5: well of course you obviously don't share my opinion. But Mobiletype, why did you get onto a thread that's clearly labled 'For all Aeris haters' if you obviously don't hate Aeris?

why the hell are you picking on him? its me who you should be saying that to, im the one who posts the long arguements, he has every right to post in here. If you didnt want her fans/people who dont hate her to post in here then you should have made the title "for all Aerith haters (if you dont hate Aerith then dont post)" but then hey, I would have done so anyway.

[Wuggly Blight]

Alot of people hate FF7 purely because its popular and I think thats whats going on here, its become a trend to hate her to be diffrent and cool, least thats what I get from the rather odd replies.
"SHE SUCKS IN BATTLE, OMG!" No, you do. Dont blame the character your useless at anything but hack and slashing.
Aeris never was or never will get revived, she's dead and gone. I dont think in battle there actually dead, maybe outcold or near death or something. Her return would be cheep and ruin the emotion envolved.
Oh dear, she likes someone, she must be a tart! then the girls here must be complete whores because Im sure they've done something much worse. Should she wear a mask too so men wont be seduced by her evil femaleness?

She had very few actual lines in the game anyway, It stupid to hate a character and says shes annoying on the bases she says "Are you okay?" I dont see waves of people moaning Garnets a annoying tart for saying that.

[Dragon Mage]

m sorry you feel that way but for every 2 people that dont like her for her personality there is a 1 that doesnt like her for her fighting ability. and as such should be disscussed, sorry if you dont like this but you should expect people to speak there views, cmon you post it on a message bord, if you want it to go the way you want it to go then post it in you user notes (where you can delete anything you dont want to be in there).

I saw that the thread was degrading into another perpetual argument of stats and limit breaks. I tried to rectify the problem-in vain it seems. As this is the first time on the forums ever I have no idea what your talking about when you mention user notes and such. Please clarify.

Her Visits? guy what are you talking about? in the game she never 'Visited' him , she was dead, and its not like Cloud (or any of the party for that matter) is going to get over her death untill Sephiroth is in the grave. I mean if your friend/love interest/whatever was killed right infront of your eyes then you wouldnt forget about it for a long time.

I'm not a guy. I'm a girl. Anyhow, I was also reffering in part to AC but I didn't see the need to point this out since AC is just a continuation of the game. By 'visits' I meant whenever she contacted Cloud, dreams, telepathy, call it what you will, whenever she contacted him, that is what I meant by 'visits'. You know whenever she talks to Cloud or something? That is what I am reffering to. And by 'coming back' I termed it as such because she is dead and she is-sort of-coming back from the dead to contact the living. I hope I have cleared up any of your confusion.

difficult to keep her alive? how can you say that 99% of the battles were over after just 1 turn for each enemy and if for instance you had Matra Magic on her then you were sorted all the way to Jueno so no your "she is difficult to keep alive in battle is a complete load of rubbish.

Well, that just depends on how you play the game now doesn't it. The first time I played the game, I found it tedious and MP expensive to keep her alive. As you become more skilled at the game, this problem doesn't show up as much.

Vague? she obviously knew Cloud was hideing inside himself (remember he said he was in soldier but in actual fact he wasnt, she obviously knew that and that was why she said what she said: she wanted to meet the real Cloud. I should think that would be obvious to anyone who thinks these things through.

She's not very clear when you first play the game, is she? But her vague speaking is not just limited to that one example. When you go back and play the game several more times, the pieces start to really fit together and she doesn't seem vague anymore. Nonetheless, she was vague. Vague to the main character (for he obviously doesn't know what the heck she's talking about) and vague to the player.

why the hell are you picking on him? its me who you should be saying that to, im the one who posts the long arguements, he has every right to post in here. If you didnt want her fans/people who dont hate her to post in here then you should have made the title "for all Aerith haters (if you dont hate Aerith then dont post)" but then hey, I would have done so anyway.

Since he was directly addressing me, I in turn directly addressed him. I asked why he posted here just because I was curious and it was a small attempt at humor. I never said he couldn't post here- I just asked why he went onto a hate Aeris thread if he dosen't hate Aeris. That's all. I never said no one could post because they don't have the same opinion as me- the argument was straying far off the particular topic I had in mind and felt that I had to fix it and let my intentions become clearer. And your right ~Reno~- I should pick on you but it seems that Ryushikaze is pawning your a$$ pretty well. I've seen Ryushikaze at work before and have great respect for his arguments-you'll have an extremly hard time winning. I know you'll have your hands full in an argument with Ryushikaze, So I was being nice.

[finalfantasyguy4ever]

guys they made her the way she is cause she woul;d only be of use in disc one if they made her so power ful in disc onee it would ruin ur team for disc 2 to climb the snow mts. so if they didnt make her like the top of ur team but useful for disc one she would fill her part. she is made weak and srtong in some area cause she is only meant to be in disc one.peace

[Carl the Llama]

I saw that the thread was degrading into another perpetual argument of stats and limit breaks. I tried to rectify the problem-in vain it seems. As this is the first time on the forums ever I have no idea what your talking about when you mention user notes and such. Please clarify.

Your User Notes

I'm not a guy. I'm a girl. Anyhow, I was also reffering in part to AC but I didn't see the need to point this out since AC is just a continuation of the game. By 'visits' I meant whenever she contacted Cloud, dreams, telepathy, call it what you will, whenever she contacted him, that is what I meant by 'visits'. You know whenever she talks to Cloud or something? That is what I am reffering to. And by 'coming back' I termed it as such because she is dead and she is-sort of-coming back from the dead to contact the living. I hope I have cleared up any of your confusion.

yep pretty much, but she 'visited' him to tell him to forgive himself, which I believe DID help him.

Well, that just depends on how you play the game now doesn't it. The first time I played the game, I found it tedious and MP expensive to keep her alive. As you become more skilled at the game, this problem doesn't show up as much.

I used her from the start, and I never had a problem keeping her alive.. btw isnt this talking about her fighting ability? What you said you didnt care about... if that is so then why are you argueing about it?

She's not very clear when you first play the game, is she? But her vague speaking is not just limited to that one example. When you go back and play the game several more times, the pieces start to really fit together and she doesn't seem vague anymore. Nonetheless, she was vague. Vague to the main character (for he obviously doesn't know what the heck she's talking about) and vague to the player.

well IMO I did indeed thought it was strange, but come the revelation about his past it became all clear... not after 2 or 3 times, and I first played this game when it in 13 years old...

Since he was directly addressing me, I in turn directly addressed him. I asked why he posted here just because I was curious and it was a small attempt at humor. I never said he couldn't post here- I just asked why he went onto a hate Aeris thread if he dosen't hate Aeris.

well I should think that would be obvious, he wanted to express his opinion.

Your right ~Reno~- I should pick on you but it seems that Ryushikaze is getting his a$$ pwned pretty well. I've seen your previous work, and dont want to suffer the same fate as he-I'll have an extremly hard time winning. I know I'll have my hands full in an argument with you, So I was being wise for once.

Iv done some slight editing on this so it speaks the turth.

[Dragon Mage]

yep pretty much, but she 'visited' him to tell him to forgive himself, which I believe DID help him.

For reasons why her 'visits' ended up doing some harm please refer to the other post I made explaining why.

I used her from the start, and I never had a problem keeping her alive.. btw isnt this talking about her fighting ability? What you said you didnt care about... if that is so then why are you argueing about it?

You brought it up and I answered your argument. That's all. I just wanted to get some things straight before moving on to the stuff I am concerned with. In fact you didn't even bring it up-Mobiletype did. So what are you arguing about?

well I should think that would be obvious, he wanted to express his opinion.

Like I said, it was just a small attempt at humor. duh. or did you not see that?

well IMO I did indeed thought it was strange, but come the revelation about his past it became all clear... not after 2 or 3 times, and I first played this game when it in 13 years old...

So do you agree with me on how she can be vague? You have just proved my point when you said this.

Your right ~Reno~- I should pick on you but it seems that Ryushikaze is getting his a$$ pwned pretty well. I've seen your previous work, and dont want to suffer the same fate as he-I'll have an extremly hard time winning. I know I'll have my hands full in an argument with you, So I was being wise for once.

Iv done some slight editing on this so it speaks the turth.

Ha ha ha. Keep making jokes. That'll win the war

That link didn't help me much.

[Carl the Llama]

guys they made her the way she is cause she woul;d only be of use in disc one if they made her so power ful in disc onee it would ruin ur team for disc 2 to climb the snow mts. so if they didnt make her like the top of ur team but useful for disc one she would fill her part. she is made weak and srtong in some area cause she is only meant to be in disc one.peace

Exactly. She is made with flaws like a normal human being. But when one person has a mild protest of her character some others go on an all out battle to prove them wrong. *sigh* You seem to be the only neutral person here and I appreciate your trying to make peace here but I'm afraid some people just won't get the idea. Thanks anyways.

A mild protest? Hate is by no means a 'mild' word, and yes that SOME includes you, and considering YOU made the thread to begin with its your responsibility.

You brought it up and I answered your argument. That's all. I just wanted to get some things straight before moving on to the stuff I am concerned with. In fact you didn't even bring it up-Mobiletype did. So what are you arguing about?

Im mearly pointing out the fact that your being a Hypocrit, after stateing that you didnt want to disscuss IN NOOB LIKE CAPITAL LETTERS her fighting ability you then go on and rant about it...

well I should think that would be obvious, he wanted to express his opinion.

Like I said, it was just a small attempt at humor. duh. or did you not see that?

Humor... oh right... HAHAHAHA YOUR SO FUNNY ROFLCOPPTER sorry about that... delayed reaction.

well IMO I did indeed thought it was strange, but come the revelation about his past it became all clear... not after 2 or 3 times, and I first played this game when it in 13 years old...

So do you agree with me on how she can be vague? You have just proved my point when you said this.

erm hello? I said all of that and all you read was I agree with you: you said you didnt understand it for 2 maybe 3 playthroughs.. obviously my 13y/o brain was more advanced then...

Your right ~Reno~- I should pick on you but it seems that Ryushikaze is getting his a$$ pwned pretty well. I've seen your previous work, and dont want to suffer the same fate as he-I'll have an extremly hard time winning. I know I'll have my hands full in an argument with you, So I was being wise for once.

Iv done some slight editing on this so it speaks the turth.

Ha ha ha. Keep making jokes. That'll win the war

ok then, if im makeing jokes and Ryu is 'Pwning' me, please point out where he has "Got one up" on me.

That link didn't help me much.

if you want to view your user notes ill do a quick explanation then.

Click on your name in any place that has it see pic1


then you can access you User Notes (see pic2)


Iv circled it incase you cant find it.

Hope this helped

[Lilliputian Hitcher]

Erm hello, did you even read my post? I did not say the the people that havent played the game say that it is the best, only that it is SAID to be the best.. not what do you think that means... well regardless ill tell you anyway, it means that a very great deal of people talk about there faveriot games to thier friends which mean FFVII is VERY much liked and is most likely the most liked FF in the entire series. simple logic no?

Most liked FF != The best.

lmao... ok what would you consider the traditional definition of RPG's?

Role Playing Games used to be about creating a character and choosing how they interact with a fantasy world. The introduction of pre-developed characters in the majority of Console RPGs has pretty much defeated the purpose of the genre. FFVII, and cRPGs in general, probably belong more to the action/adventure genre than anything else.

[Dragon Mage]

A mild protest? Hate is by no means a 'mild' word, and yes that SOME includes you, and considering YOU made the thread to begin with its your responsibility

WHAT are you going on about? Did you even read my post, boy?

[Carl the Llama]

A mild protest? Hate is by no means a 'mild' word, and yes that SOME includes you, and considering YOU made the thread to begin with its your responsibility

WHAT are you going on about? Did you even read my post, boy?

the title of your thread clearly says hate, that is not a 'mild' protest by any means, maybe your shoud get some more english lessons before you say these things, I mean how many words have you mistaken now? and FYI im nearly 23 yeas old and altho i would love to be a meer boy, I am not.

[Ryushikaze]

cant take advantage of it with 1 less slot in materia? of corse you can take for instance, say is she did live she could easyly take on Emerald weapon and win without breaking a sweat look KotR+HP Absorb (2slots) Mime+Counter (4slots) oh wow look at that, 4 slots for the ultimate materia comboi mean comeon, do you really need more then the 8slot Wizard Bangle for materia combo's? the answer is quite obviously no also lets not forget the master materia'swhich take up a measly 3 slots, then all you need he weapon slots for are E.Skill and Mega All (thats Independant and doesnt need to be pared with anything) so haveing 1 slot less is not a problem in the slightest.

I never said it made a big difference. It doesn't. Neither, however, does Aerith's top mag stat.

well thats your opinion, not really bothered if you like it or not.

How is liking it involved? It is both incredibly cheap and redundant for the time period it is available. There is such a thing as bringing the death star to blow up a house.

lets find out about that. link

What's this supposed to prove? If not evidence that the populace disagrees with your definition, it's a red herring.

how is it an appeal to authority? I was mearly stateing a fact.

You used the opinion of a percieved authority as a point in your argument. That is the essence of the appeal to authority.

I agree with everything you said apart from 1 thing... I havent read a single post where someone says they should make Aerith reviveable.

Congratulations. You're an anomoly. Essays, fanfics, spammy posts on forums all across the net. Aerith fanboys clamour for her revival all the time.

lmao... ok what would you consider the traditional definition of RPG's?

D&D, Whitewolf, BESM, and other Pen and Paper RPGS. That, or kinky sex play. Pretty sure the intent was the former, though.

unsavory character? guy what the hell are you talking about? she is a flower girl for crying out loud, if you brought a flower girl that dressed and acted like Aerith your mum would most likely be very happy for you. I know my mum would.

Then tell her what she does for a living. She walks the streets of a major city, wearing front release, decollotage displaying clothing, propositioning strange men to buy flowers. She'd be very, VERY, worried.

tart ( P ) Pronunciation Key (tärt)
n.

A prostitute.
A woman considered to be sexually promiscuous.

Key word considered. In which case, yes, Tart is in fact a valid term, given that Dragoon considers her to BE promiscuous.

[Xurts]

I would just like to add that ~Reno~'s browser looks fugly.

That is all.

[Dr. Acula]

Aeris never was or never will get revived, she's dead and gone. I dont think in battle there actually dead, maybe outcold or near death or something. Her return would be cheep and ruin the emotion envolved.

She had very few actual lines in the game anyway, It stupid to hate a character and says shes annoying on the bases she says "Are you okay?" I dont see waves of people moaning Garnets a annoying tart for saying that.

I agree.

[Lilliputian Hitcher]

the The title of your thread clearly says hate, that is not a 'mild' protest by any means, . maybe Maybe your you shoud should get some more english English lessons before you say these things, I mean how many words have you mistaken now? and FYI im I'm nearly 23 yeas old and altho although i I would love to be a meer boy, I am not.

Perhaps people should make sure there are no glaring errors in their own posts before they criticize others.