PC Games V.S. Console Games

[DeathKnight]

BETTER??????????????????????

You've GOTTA be kidding me :laugh: man oh man.

Anyway, to Trabovel:

What can be more fun than Super Smash Bros. Brawl online????? NOTHING that's what.
Believe me, consoles are gonna step all over PCs all over again in this next generation(not graphically, but stratigically and qualitically hehe =D ).

What an excellent comeback argument! I liked the way you used lots of unnecessary question marks, and then answered my post by avoiding the whole issue I presented you with! Top marks, a glorious career as a politician presents itself to you with open arms.

What can be more fun than Smash Bros Online? Lesse. Taking part in a forty man raid in WoW you kill a massive angry dragon, fighting against 20 bots with 4 people in Counter Strike: Source, naming yourselves famous political figures and fighting the good fight in Titan Quest at a LAN centre, and sending an orc army to crush the Imperial Guard in Dawn of War. Trust me, I've played these experiences, and they're golden, simply golden.
Also, do you have any actual proof that consoles are going to step all over Personal Computers? I remember people saying that about... 5 years ago. Can't quite remember why though.... oh yes... The PS2.

http://uk.pc.gamespy.com/pc/spore/707976p1.html

GameSpy: Still PC only?

[Will Wright]: Well, actually we are going to go on all platforms, but we will come out on PC first. We will even come out on cell phones and stuff.

That was just FYI, not exactly part of the debate.

The fact is, PC games have a larger number of high quality games that consoles do. They've been around longer, so they have the history going for them. Games designed for PCs are generally much better on PCs. Games designed for consoles are generally much better on consoles (Halo PC kinda sucks).

I remember seeing that written about the Movies. But I suppose it's probably true, considering it's EA.

PC may have variety but I don't see it in your post?........all the games you mention are war-related games which really get boring after a while(personally).

I'd still love to play Street Fighter online (with a GOOD controller) than any war/strategy game

Baldur's Gate/Thief/Max Payne 2/Rag Doll Kung Fu/Prince of Persia/GT Legends/Diablo 2. Those games were the ones I mentioned. None of them are war-related games.

Baldur's Gate: RPG, much like FF.
Thief: A game about being a Medieval Thief.
Max Payne 2: A game about shooting robbers and murderers.
Rag Doll Kung Fu: A game about ragdolls beating the crap out of each other.
Prince of Persia: a platform game.
GT Legends: A racing game.
Diablo 2: Another RPG.

Also: I congratulate you on loving Street Fighter Online, but I fail to see how that makes the entirety of consoles better. It's personal preference about one game.

is there a game like Mario Party there?

Is there a game like Super Smash Bros. or Street fighter?

Is THERE a game like Zelda?

A game like Final Fight?

PC fails man. It doesn't make people happy.

Just those people who like graphics and playing war-related games online

You ask me if there are beat 'em ups for the PC like you expect there to be. There isn't because PC games are normally played with the keyboard and mouse, the games are shaped around this fact.

But there are games like Zelda. Baldur's Gate 2 (the real one, not the crap console versions) is critically acclaimed by almost everybody but ignorant PC hateboys. And that, some people claim, surpasses Zelda, thanks to its variety, open endedness, and story.

It appears, by your list, that consoles are only for people that like playing beat 'em up.s I'm not a great fan. I quite like Tekken, but that's basically it as far as it goes. But I can see why people like them. They're good games, just I wouldn't buy them.

If PCs didn't make people happy, then the PC wouldn't have such a big market. It wouldn't have the biggest online gamers population. It wouldn't have one of the best selling games ever (Sims 2) in its ranks. It wouldn't constantly be stolen from by console developers (hello Doom 3, hello Half Life 2, hello Baldur's Gate, hello Everquest, hello Call of Duty, hello Spore, hello Max Payne, hello Far Cry, hello Battlefield, hello Battle for Middle Earth, hello The Sims, hello FEAR, etc etc....)

Your ignorant view points are hilarious. You say the PC is for those who only likes war games and graphics, even when I have already given you a complete list of games that have nothing at all to do with war.

Yes, but the best and most famous ones for PC are always war-related or shooting related or strategy related which falls in the war-realted genre(which I just made up ). Anyway, those games like FEAR and Call of Duty, I don't like those games, nor do they sell well, 'cause console gamers are not into that stuff, so it's REALLY pointless for developers import these games into consoles.

I remember back around 1995 when Microsoft claimed that PCs were gonna run consoles out of the market :laugh:

funny

[drunkymonkey]

BETTER??????????????????????

You've GOTTA be kidding me :laugh: man oh man.

Anyway, to Trabovel:

What can be more fun than Super Smash Bros. Brawl online????? NOTHING that's what.
Believe me, consoles are gonna step all over PCs all over again in this next generation(not graphically, but stratigically and qualitically hehe =D ).

What an excellent comeback argument! I liked the way you used lots of unnecessary question marks, and then answered my post by avoiding the whole issue I presented you with! Top marks, a glorious career as a politician presents itself to you with open arms.

What can be more fun than Smash Bros Online? Lesse. Taking part in a forty man raid in WoW you kill a massive angry dragon, fighting against 20 bots with 4 people in Counter Strike: Source, naming yourselves famous political figures and fighting the good fight in Titan Quest at a LAN centre, and sending an orc army to crush the Imperial Guard in Dawn of War. Trust me, I've played these experiences, and they're golden, simply golden.
Also, do you have any actual proof that consoles are going to step all over Personal Computers? I remember people saying that about... 5 years ago. Can't quite remember why though.... oh yes... The PS2.

http://uk.pc.gamespy.com/pc/spore/707976p1.html

GameSpy: Still PC only?

[Will Wright]: Well, actually we are going to go on all platforms, but we will come out on PC first. We will even come out on cell phones and stuff.

That was just FYI, not exactly part of the debate.

The fact is, PC games have a larger number of high quality games that consoles do. They've been around longer, so they have the history going for them. Games designed for PCs are generally much better on PCs. Games designed for consoles are generally much better on consoles (Halo PC kinda sucks).

I remember seeing that written about the Movies. But I suppose it's probably true, considering it's EA.

PC may have variety but I don't see it in your post?........all the games you mention are war-related games which really get boring after a while(personally).

I'd still love to play Street Fighter online (with a GOOD controller) than any war/strategy game

Baldur's Gate/Thief/Max Payne 2/Rag Doll Kung Fu/Prince of Persia/GT Legends/Diablo 2. Those games were the ones I mentioned. None of them are war-related games.

Baldur's Gate: RPG, much like FF.
Thief: A game about being a Medieval Thief.
Max Payne 2: A game about shooting robbers and murderers.
Rag Doll Kung Fu: A game about ragdolls beating the crap out of each other.
Prince of Persia: a platform game.
GT Legends: A racing game.
Diablo 2: Another RPG.

Also: I congratulate you on loving Street Fighter Online, but I fail to see how that makes the entirety of consoles better. It's personal preference about one game.

is there a game like Mario Party there?

Is there a game like Super Smash Bros. or Street fighter?

Is THERE a game like Zelda?

A game like Final Fight?

PC fails man. It doesn't make people happy.

Just those people who like graphics and playing war-related games online

You ask me if there are beat 'em ups for the PC like you expect there to be. There isn't because PC games are normally played with the keyboard and mouse, the games are shaped around this fact.

But there are games like Zelda. Baldur's Gate 2 (the real one, not the crap console versions) is critically acclaimed by almost everybody but ignorant PC hateboys. And that, some people claim, surpasses Zelda, thanks to its variety, open endedness, and story.

It appears, by your list, that consoles are only for people that like playing beat 'em up.s I'm not a great fan. I quite like Tekken, but that's basically it as far as it goes. But I can see why people like them. They're good games, just I wouldn't buy them.

If PCs didn't make people happy, then the PC wouldn't have such a big market. It wouldn't have the biggest online gamers population. It wouldn't have one of the best selling games ever (Sims 2) in its ranks. It wouldn't constantly be stolen from by console developers (hello Doom 3, hello Half Life 2, hello Baldur's Gate, hello Everquest, hello Call of Duty, hello Spore, hello Max Payne, hello Far Cry, hello Battlefield, hello Battle for Middle Earth, hello The Sims, hello FEAR, etc etc....)

Your ignorant view points are hilarious. You say the PC is for those who only likes war games and graphics, even when I have already given you a complete list of games that have nothing at all to do with war.

Yes, but the best and most famous ones for PC are always war-related or shooting related or strategy related which falls in the war-realted genre(which I just made up ). Anyway, those games like FEAR and Call of Duty, I don't like those games, nor do they sell well, 'cause console gamers are not into that stuff, so it's REALLY pointless for developers import these games into consoles.

I remember back around 1995 when Microsoft claimed that PCs were gonna run consoles out of the market :laugh:

funny

Not true. Monkey Island is one of the most famous games, and that isn't war at all. Civilization 4 is another example. It has features of war in it, but you can play it perfectly peacefully, without having to go gun-ho. And in case you hadn't noticed, most games are about violence.

Onto your point about sales. It's rubbish. Call of Duty 2 on the Xbox360 got to number 1 in Britain, and is one of the most successful games on the console. Killzone did very well. Hang on... Halo did very well as well. These are war/shooting games, the ones you said gamers weren't interested in. Is that why self titled Halo beaters are still being made? As far as I can see, the beat 'em up market is failing, with less and less games of that genre coming out.

Also: Microsoft, in case you hadn't noticed, often lie. They are addicted to it. But that doesn't mean the PC is any less of a good games platform. Might spell something for the Xbox though...

[JKTrix]

Call of Duty 2 is the best selling game on the Xbox 360. Fact. Call of Duty 3 is coming to all systems, and special effort is being made for the Wii. Fact. These games do sell--both on consoles and on PCs. You cannot generalize everything in the world based on your own opinion.

These 'War Games'--shooters and RTSes-- are the 'most popular' on the PC because they aren't really on any other system. They can advertise stuff like 'Prince of Persia for PC: Coming soon!', but no one cares because it's been on every other system for months.

And... have you heard of Emulation? Every console up until the outgoing generation has been succesfully emulated. You can download Final Fight, be it for the GBA, SNES, or the original Arcade version.

Please stop quoting the entire chain of posts :P

[KentaRawr!]

At this point, it seems like it's just two people saying one is better than the other, and calling it a "debate". :rolleyes2

[DeathKnight]

I agree with Kentarou, BUT the poll says it all nice seeing you.

PS: Call of Duty and Killzone sell on 360, why? PC gamers are LINKED to XBox and Microsoft in a BIG way.

[Rase]

I agree with Kentarou, BUT the poll says it all nice seeing you.

What does the poll say? That the people of a forum dedicated to a series that is almost exclusively on consoles tend to prefer consoles to PC's? Whoop-de-do. I fail to see how this proves anything significant.

PS: Call of Duty and Killzone sell on 360, why? PC gamers are LINKED to XBox and Microsoft in a BIG way.

Killzone a series that has a game on the PS2 and one for the PSP, and it will have one the PS3, not the 360. :rolleyes2

[bipper]

BETTER??????????????????????

You've GOTTA be kidding me :laugh: man oh man.

Anyway, to Trabovel:

What can be more fun than Super Smash Bros. Brawl online????? NOTHING that's what.
Believe me, consoles are gonna step all over PCs all over again in this next generation(not graphically, but stratigically and qualitically hehe =D ).

What an excellent comeback argument! I liked the way you used lots of unnecessary question marks, and then answered my post by avoiding the whole issue I presented you with! Top marks, a glorious career as a politician presents itself to you with open arms.

What can be more fun than Smash Bros Online? Lesse. Taking part in a forty man raid in WoW you kill a massive angry dragon, fighting against 20 bots with 4 people in Counter Strike: Source, naming yourselves famous political figures and fighting the good fight in Titan Quest at a LAN centre, and sending an orc army to crush the Imperial Guard in Dawn of War. Trust me, I've played these experiences, and they're golden, simply golden.
Also, do you have any actual proof that consoles are going to step all over Personal Computers? I remember people saying that about... 5 years ago. Can't quite remember why though.... oh yes... The PS2.

http://uk.pc.gamespy.com/pc/spore/707976p1.html

GameSpy: Still PC only?

[Will Wright]: Well, actually we are going to go on all platforms, but we will come out on PC first. We will even come out on cell phones and stuff.

That was just FYI, not exactly part of the debate.

The fact is, PC games have a larger number of high quality games that consoles do. They've been around longer, so they have the history going for them. Games designed for PCs are generally much better on PCs. Games designed for consoles are generally much better on consoles (Halo PC kinda sucks).

I remember seeing that written about the Movies. But I suppose it's probably true, considering it's EA.

PC may have variety but I don't see it in your post?........all the games you mention are war-related games which really get boring after a while(personally).

I'd still love to play Street Fighter online (with a GOOD controller) than any war/strategy game

Baldur's Gate/Thief/Max Payne 2/Rag Doll Kung Fu/Prince of Persia/GT Legends/Diablo 2. Those games were the ones I mentioned. None of them are war-related games.

Baldur's Gate: RPG, much like FF.
Thief: A game about being a Medieval Thief.
Max Payne 2: A game about shooting robbers and murderers.
Rag Doll Kung Fu: A game about ragdolls beating the crap out of each other.
Prince of Persia: a platform game.
GT Legends: A racing game.
Diablo 2: Another RPG.

Also: I congratulate you on loving Street Fighter Online, but I fail to see how that makes the entirety of consoles better. It's personal preference about one game.

is there a game like Mario Party there?

Is there a game like Super Smash Bros. or Street fighter?

Is THERE a game like Zelda?

A game like Final Fight?

PC fails man. It doesn't make people happy.

Just those people who like graphics and playing war-related games online

You ask me if there are beat 'em ups for the PC like you expect there to be. There isn't because PC games are normally played with the keyboard and mouse, the games are shaped around this fact.

But there are games like Zelda. Baldur's Gate 2 (the real one, not the crap console versions) is critically acclaimed by almost everybody but ignorant PC hateboys. And that, some people claim, surpasses Zelda, thanks to its variety, open endedness, and story.

It appears, by your list, that consoles are only for people that like playing beat 'em up.s I'm not a great fan. I quite like Tekken, but that's basically it as far as it goes. But I can see why people like them. They're good games, just I wouldn't buy them.

If PCs didn't make people happy, then the PC wouldn't have such a big market. It wouldn't have the biggest online gamers population. It wouldn't have one of the best selling games ever (Sims 2) in its ranks. It wouldn't constantly be stolen from by console developers (hello Doom 3, hello Half Life 2, hello Baldur's Gate, hello Everquest, hello Call of Duty, hello Spore, hello Max Payne, hello Far Cry, hello Battlefield, hello Battle for Middle Earth, hello The Sims, hello FEAR, etc etc....)

Your ignorant view points are hilarious. You say the PC is for those who only likes war games and graphics, even when I have already given you a complete list of games that have nothing at all to do with war.

Yes, but the best and most famous ones for PC are always war-related or shooting related or strategy related which falls in the war-realted genre(which I just made up ). Anyway, those games like FEAR and Call of Duty, I don't like those games, nor do they sell well, 'cause console gamers are not into that stuff, so it's REALLY pointless for developers import these games into consoles.

I remember back around 1995 when Microsoft claimed that PCs were gonna run consoles out of the market :laugh:

funny

Not true. Monkey Island is one of the most famous games, and that isn't war at all. Civilization 4 is another example. It has features of war in it, but you can play it perfectly peacefully, without having to go gun-ho. And in case you hadn't noticed, most games are about violence.

Onto your point about sales. It's rubbish. Call of Duty 2 on the Xbox360 got to number 1 in Britain, and is one of the most successful games on the console. Killzone did very well. Hang on... Halo did very well as well. These are war/shooting games, the ones you said gamers weren't interested in. Is that why self titled Halo beaters are still being made? As far as I can see, the beat 'em up market is failing, with less and less games of that genre coming out.

Also: Microsoft, in case you hadn't noticed, often lie. They are addicted to it. But that doesn't mean the PC is any less of a good games platform. Might spell something for the Xbox though...

QFTHoI

I agree with Kentarou, BUT the poll says it all nice seeing you.

PS: Call of Duty and Killzone sell on 360, why? PC gamers are LINKED to XBox and Microsoft in a BIG way.

That is because all the people with PC games are using their pc to play awsomeness games! Not post on a forum about games!! If I was on an awsomenss gamer machine, I would be gone!

Seriously, PC's are better. They are just a multi-tooled console on steroids. In some situations, it is not always nessariy to use a BAZOOKA to do what a a super soaker can do.

Bipper

[DeathKnight]

BETTER??????????????????????

You've GOTTA be kidding me :laugh: man oh man.

Anyway, to Trabovel:

What can be more fun than Super Smash Bros. Brawl online????? NOTHING that's what.
Believe me, consoles are gonna step all over PCs all over again in this next generation(not graphically, but stratigically and qualitically hehe =D ).

What an excellent comeback argument! I liked the way you used lots of unnecessary question marks, and then answered my post by avoiding the whole issue I presented you with! Top marks, a glorious career as a politician presents itself to you with open arms.

What can be more fun than Smash Bros Online? Lesse. Taking part in a forty man raid in WoW you kill a massive angry dragon, fighting against 20 bots with 4 people in Counter Strike: Source, naming yourselves famous political figures and fighting the good fight in Titan Quest at a LAN centre, and sending an orc army to crush the Imperial Guard in Dawn of War. Trust me, I've played these experiences, and they're golden, simply golden.
Also, do you have any actual proof that consoles are going to step all over Personal Computers? I remember people saying that about... 5 years ago. Can't quite remember why though.... oh yes... The PS2.

http://uk.pc.gamespy.com/pc/spore/707976p1.html

GameSpy: Still PC only?

[Will Wright]: Well, actually we are going to go on all platforms, but we will come out on PC first. We will even come out on cell phones and stuff.

That was just FYI, not exactly part of the debate.

The fact is, PC games have a larger number of high quality games that consoles do. They've been around longer, so they have the history going for them. Games designed for PCs are generally much better on PCs. Games designed for consoles are generally much better on consoles (Halo PC kinda sucks).

I remember seeing that written about the Movies. But I suppose it's probably true, considering it's EA.

PC may have variety but I don't see it in your post?........all the games you mention are war-related games which really get boring after a while(personally).

I'd still love to play Street Fighter online (with a GOOD controller) than any war/strategy game

Baldur's Gate/Thief/Max Payne 2/Rag Doll Kung Fu/Prince of Persia/GT Legends/Diablo 2. Those games were the ones I mentioned. None of them are war-related games.

Baldur's Gate: RPG, much like FF.
Thief: A game about being a Medieval Thief.
Max Payne 2: A game about shooting robbers and murderers.
Rag Doll Kung Fu: A game about ragdolls beating the crap out of each other.
Prince of Persia: a platform game.
GT Legends: A racing game.
Diablo 2: Another RPG.

Also: I congratulate you on loving Street Fighter Online, but I fail to see how that makes the entirety of consoles better. It's personal preference about one game.

is there a game like Mario Party there?

Is there a game like Super Smash Bros. or Street fighter?

Is THERE a game like Zelda?

A game like Final Fight?

PC fails man. It doesn't make people happy.

Just those people who like graphics and playing war-related games online

You ask me if there are beat 'em ups for the PC like you expect there to be. There isn't because PC games are normally played with the keyboard and mouse, the games are shaped around this fact.

But there are games like Zelda. Baldur's Gate 2 (the real one, not the crap console versions) is critically acclaimed by almost everybody but ignorant PC hateboys. And that, some people claim, surpasses Zelda, thanks to its variety, open endedness, and story.

It appears, by your list, that consoles are only for people that like playing beat 'em up.s I'm not a great fan. I quite like Tekken, but that's basically it as far as it goes. But I can see why people like them. They're good games, just I wouldn't buy them.

If PCs didn't make people happy, then the PC wouldn't have such a big market. It wouldn't have the biggest online gamers population. It wouldn't have one of the best selling games ever (Sims 2) in its ranks. It wouldn't constantly be stolen from by console developers (hello Doom 3, hello Half Life 2, hello Baldur's Gate, hello Everquest, hello Call of Duty, hello Spore, hello Max Payne, hello Far Cry, hello Battlefield, hello Battle for Middle Earth, hello The Sims, hello FEAR, etc etc....)

Your ignorant view points are hilarious. You say the PC is for those who only likes war games and graphics, even when I have already given you a complete list of games that have nothing at all to do with war.

Yes, but the best and most famous ones for PC are always war-related or shooting related or strategy related which falls in the war-realted genre(which I just made up ). Anyway, those games like FEAR and Call of Duty, I don't like those games, nor do they sell well, 'cause console gamers are not into that stuff, so it's REALLY pointless for developers import these games into consoles.

I remember back around 1995 when Microsoft claimed that PCs were gonna run consoles out of the market :laugh:

funny

Not true. Monkey Island is one of the most famous games, and that isn't war at all. Civilization 4 is another example. It has features of war in it, but you can play it perfectly peacefully, without having to go gun-ho. And in case you hadn't noticed, most games are about violence.

Onto your point about sales. It's rubbish. Call of Duty 2 on the Xbox360 got to number 1 in Britain, and is one of the most successful games on the console. Killzone did very well. Hang on... Halo did very well as well. These are war/shooting games, the ones you said gamers weren't interested in. Is that why self titled Halo beaters are still being made? As far as I can see, the beat 'em up market is failing, with less and less games of that genre coming out.

Also: Microsoft, in case you hadn't noticed, often lie. They are addicted to it. But that doesn't mean the PC is any less of a good games platform. Might spell something for the Xbox though...

QFTHoI

I agree with Kentarou, BUT the poll says it all nice seeing you.

PS: Call of Duty and Killzone sell on 360, why? PC gamers are LINKED to XBox and Microsoft in a BIG way.

That is because all the people with PC games are using their pc to play awsomeness games! Not post on a forum about games!! If I was on an awsomenss gamer machine, I would be gone!

Seriously, PC's are better. They are just a multi-tooled console on steroids. In some situations, it is not always nessariy to use a BAZOOKA to do what a a super soaker can do.

Bipper

Seriously what have you proven? I still doj't get how PCs are better in any way.

what graphics?

like I said, consoles have ALOT of things going for them. Starting with the fact that you can play multi-player games with your WHOLE family(without having to buy 4 $3000 PCs just to play with them).

[bipper]

BETTER??????????????????????

You've GOTTA be kidding me :laugh: man oh man.

Anyway, to Trabovel:

What can be more fun than Super Smash Bros. Brawl online????? NOTHING that's what.
Believe me, consoles are gonna step all over PCs all over again in this next generation(not graphically, but stratigically and qualitically hehe =D ).

What an excellent comeback argument! I liked the way you used lots of unnecessary question marks, and then answered my post by avoiding the whole issue I presented you with! Top marks, a glorious career as a politician presents itself to you with open arms.

What can be more fun than Smash Bros Online? Lesse. Taking part in a forty man raid in WoW you kill a massive angry dragon, fighting against 20 bots with 4 people in Counter Strike: Source, naming yourselves famous political figures and fighting the good fight in Titan Quest at a LAN centre, and sending an orc army to crush the Imperial Guard in Dawn of War. Trust me, I've played these experiences, and they're golden, simply golden.
Also, do you have any actual proof that consoles are going to step all over Personal Computers? I remember people saying that about... 5 years ago. Can't quite remember why though.... oh yes... The PS2.

http://uk.pc.gamespy.com/pc/spore/707976p1.html

GameSpy: Still PC only?

[Will Wright]: Well, actually we are going to go on all platforms, but we will come out on PC first. We will even come out on cell phones and stuff.

That was just FYI, not exactly part of the debate.

The fact is, PC games have a larger number of high quality games that consoles do. They've been around longer, so they have the history going for them. Games designed for PCs are generally much better on PCs. Games designed for consoles are generally much better on consoles (Halo PC kinda sucks).

I remember seeing that written about the Movies. But I suppose it's probably true, considering it's EA.

PC may have variety but I don't see it in your post?........all the games you mention are war-related games which really get boring after a while(personally).

I'd still love to play Street Fighter online (with a GOOD controller) than any war/strategy game

Baldur's Gate/Thief/Max Payne 2/Rag Doll Kung Fu/Prince of Persia/GT Legends/Diablo 2. Those games were the ones I mentioned. None of them are war-related games.

Baldur's Gate: RPG, much like FF.
Thief: A game about being a Medieval Thief.
Max Payne 2: A game about shooting robbers and murderers.
Rag Doll Kung Fu: A game about ragdolls beating the crap out of each other.
Prince of Persia: a platform game.
GT Legends: A racing game.
Diablo 2: Another RPG.

Also: I congratulate you on loving Street Fighter Online, but I fail to see how that makes the entirety of consoles better. It's personal preference about one game.

is there a game like Mario Party there?

Is there a game like Super Smash Bros. or Street fighter?

Is THERE a game like Zelda?

A game like Final Fight?

PC fails man. It doesn't make people happy.

Just those people who like graphics and playing war-related games online

You ask me if there are beat 'em ups for the PC like you expect there to be. There isn't because PC games are normally played with the keyboard and mouse, the games are shaped around this fact.

But there are games like Zelda. Baldur's Gate 2 (the real one, not the crap console versions) is critically acclaimed by almost everybody but ignorant PC hateboys. And that, some people claim, surpasses Zelda, thanks to its variety, open endedness, and story.

It appears, by your list, that consoles are only for people that like playing beat 'em up.s I'm not a great fan. I quite like Tekken, but that's basically it as far as it goes. But I can see why people like them. They're good games, just I wouldn't buy them.

If PCs didn't make people happy, then the PC wouldn't have such a big market. It wouldn't have the biggest online gamers population. It wouldn't have one of the best selling games ever (Sims 2) in its ranks. It wouldn't constantly be stolen from by console developers (hello Doom 3, hello Half Life 2, hello Baldur's Gate, hello Everquest, hello Call of Duty, hello Spore, hello Max Payne, hello Far Cry, hello Battlefield, hello Battle for Middle Earth, hello The Sims, hello FEAR, etc etc....)

Your ignorant view points are hilarious. You say the PC is for those who only likes war games and graphics, even when I have already given you a complete list of games that have nothing at all to do with war.

Yes, but the best and most famous ones for PC are always war-related or shooting related or strategy related which falls in the war-realted genre(which I just made up ). Anyway, those games like FEAR and Call of Duty, I don't like those games, nor do they sell well, 'cause console gamers are not into that stuff, so it's REALLY pointless for developers import these games into consoles.

I remember back around 1995 when Microsoft claimed that PCs were gonna run consoles out of the market :laugh:

funny

Not true. Monkey Island is one of the most famous games, and that isn't war at all. Civilization 4 is another example. It has features of war in it, but you can play it perfectly peacefully, without having to go gun-ho. And in case you hadn't noticed, most games are about violence.

Onto your point about sales. It's rubbish. Call of Duty 2 on the Xbox360 got to number 1 in Britain, and is one of the most successful games on the console. Killzone did very well. Hang on... Halo did very well as well. These are war/shooting games, the ones you said gamers weren't interested in. Is that why self titled Halo beaters are still being made? As far as I can see, the beat 'em up market is failing, with less and less games of that genre coming out.

Also: Microsoft, in case you hadn't noticed, often lie. They are addicted to it. But that doesn't mean the PC is any less of a good games platform. Might spell something for the Xbox though...

QFTHoI

I agree with Kentarou, BUT the poll says it all nice seeing you.

PS: Call of Duty and Killzone sell on 360, why? PC gamers are LINKED to XBox and Microsoft in a BIG way.

That is because all the people with PC games are using their pc to play awsomeness games! Not post on a forum about games!! If I was on an awsomenss gamer machine, I would be gone!

Seriously, PC's are better. They are just a multi-tooled console on steroids. In some situations, it is not always nessariy to use a BAZOOKA to do what a a super soaker can do.

Bipper

Seriously what have you proven? I still doj't get how PCs are better in any way.

what graphics?

like I said, consoles have ALOT of things going for them. Starting with the fact that you can play multi-player games with your WHOLE family(without having to buy 4 $3000 PCs just to play with them).

PC's are like a customised Hot rod. Gaming consoles are just a manuafactured Metro. Either way, I have personally built a pc for
$400 that lasted 5 years of gaming. Hardly more expensive than a console, especially any more. If you are buying a prefab computer, you should not be expecting to play any games on em

As per the actual topic. PC games are just better, as they have more modability and developers often have a more current hardware scope to work with.

The end.

Bipper

[Duncan]

Well, I tend to side with the PC as the platform of choice from the versatility standpoint, and whenever there is a game that is available on multiple platforms I will almost always go with the PC version (there are a few exceptions).

That being said, I still play quite a few games on consoles, the biggest choice seems to be control scheme. I cannot possibly see how one could play WOW on a console, without a keyboard mouse, and the control scheme for FPS's are much better on PC than console (even the PC version of Halo, I've played both). I think the Wii could potentially usher in a new era of FPS's with the potential to have the best control scheme of any system, however, that remains to be seen. RTS's also play better on the PC. Even with the lastest attempt for RTS on console, Battle for Middle Earth II on the 360, reviewer seem to prefer the PC controls over the 360 version.

On the console front, the eastern RPGs are obviously much better suited for consoles. Additionally, arcade-style games (the Mario style) are much better suited to a control over a keyboard-mouse, as well as the fighting games.

However, the fact is that if PC came standard with controllers or if consoles came standard with a keyboard and mouse, all the above arguements would go away.

Also, one genre that hasn't been mentioned that is stronger on the PC is the flight sim market, just a sidenote.

Just my thoughts on the subject.

[Rase]

Seriously what have you proven?

What have you?


Also, for the love of all that is good, stop quoting each other so much. It's not that hard to delete everything except the part you're addressing, and it's rather annoying to have to scroll through a bunch of quotes of posts that have nothing to do with what you're saying.

[DeathKnight]

BETTER??????????????????????

You've GOTTA be kidding me :laugh: man oh man.

Anyway, to Trabovel:

What can be more fun than Super Smash Bros. Brawl online????? NOTHING that's what.
Believe me, consoles are gonna step all over PCs all over again in this next generation(not graphically, but stratigically and qualitically hehe =D ).

What an excellent comeback argument! I liked the way you used lots of unnecessary question marks, and then answered my post by avoiding the whole issue I presented you with! Top marks, a glorious career as a politician presents itself to you with open arms.

What can be more fun than Smash Bros Online? Lesse. Taking part in a forty man raid in WoW you kill a massive angry dragon, fighting against 20 bots with 4 people in Counter Strike: Source, naming yourselves famous political figures and fighting the good fight in Titan Quest at a LAN centre, and sending an orc army to crush the Imperial Guard in Dawn of War. Trust me, I've played these experiences, and they're golden, simply golden.
Also, do you have any actual proof that consoles are going to step all over Personal Computers? I remember people saying that about... 5 years ago. Can't quite remember why though.... oh yes... The PS2.

http://uk.pc.gamespy.com/pc/spore/707976p1.html

GameSpy: Still PC only?

[Will Wright]: Well, actually we are going to go on all platforms, but we will come out on PC first. We will even come out on cell phones and stuff.

That was just FYI, not exactly part of the debate.

The fact is, PC games have a larger number of high quality games that consoles do. They've been around longer, so they have the history going for them. Games designed for PCs are generally much better on PCs. Games designed for consoles are generally much better on consoles (Halo PC kinda sucks).

I remember seeing that written about the Movies. But I suppose it's probably true, considering it's EA.

PC may have variety but I don't see it in your post?........all the games you mention are war-related games which really get boring after a while(personally).

I'd still love to play Street Fighter online (with a GOOD controller) than any war/strategy game

Baldur's Gate/Thief/Max Payne 2/Rag Doll Kung Fu/Prince of Persia/GT Legends/Diablo 2. Those games were the ones I mentioned. None of them are war-related games.

Baldur's Gate: RPG, much like FF.
Thief: A game about being a Medieval Thief.
Max Payne 2: A game about shooting robbers and murderers.
Rag Doll Kung Fu: A game about ragdolls beating the crap out of each other.
Prince of Persia: a platform game.
GT Legends: A racing game.
Diablo 2: Another RPG.

Also: I congratulate you on loving Street Fighter Online, but I fail to see how that makes the entirety of consoles better. It's personal preference about one game.

is there a game like Mario Party there?

Is there a game like Super Smash Bros. or Street fighter?

Is THERE a game like Zelda?

A game like Final Fight?

PC fails man. It doesn't make people happy.

Just those people who like graphics and playing war-related games online

You ask me if there are beat 'em ups for the PC like you expect there to be. There isn't because PC games are normally played with the keyboard and mouse, the games are shaped around this fact.

But there are games like Zelda. Baldur's Gate 2 (the real one, not the crap console versions) is critically acclaimed by almost everybody but ignorant PC hateboys. And that, some people claim, surpasses Zelda, thanks to its variety, open endedness, and story.

It appears, by your list, that consoles are only for people that like playing beat 'em up.s I'm not a great fan. I quite like Tekken, but that's basically it as far as it goes. But I can see why people like them. They're good games, just I wouldn't buy them.

If PCs didn't make people happy, then the PC wouldn't have such a big market. It wouldn't have the biggest online gamers population. It wouldn't have one of the best selling games ever (Sims 2) in its ranks. It wouldn't constantly be stolen from by console developers (hello Doom 3, hello Half Life 2, hello Baldur's Gate, hello Everquest, hello Call of Duty, hello Spore, hello Max Payne, hello Far Cry, hello Battlefield, hello Battle for Middle Earth, hello The Sims, hello FEAR, etc etc....)

Your ignorant view points are hilarious. You say the PC is for those who only likes war games and graphics, even when I have already given you a complete list of games that have nothing at all to do with war.

Yes, but the best and most famous ones for PC are always war-related or shooting related or strategy related which falls in the war-realted genre(which I just made up ). Anyway, those games like FEAR and Call of Duty, I don't like those games, nor do they sell well, 'cause console gamers are not into that stuff, so it's REALLY pointless for developers import these games into consoles.

I remember back around 1995 when Microsoft claimed that PCs were gonna run consoles out of the market :laugh:

funny

Not true. Monkey Island is one of the most famous games, and that isn't war at all. Civilization 4 is another example. It has features of war in it, but you can play it perfectly peacefully, without having to go gun-ho. And in case you hadn't noticed, most games are about violence.

Onto your point about sales. It's rubbish. Call of Duty 2 on the Xbox360 got to number 1 in Britain, and is one of the most successful games on the console. Killzone did very well. Hang on... Halo did very well as well. These are war/shooting games, the ones you said gamers weren't interested in. Is that why self titled Halo beaters are still being made? As far as I can see, the beat 'em up market is failing, with less and less games of that genre coming out.

Also: Microsoft, in case you hadn't noticed, often lie. They are addicted to it. But that doesn't mean the PC is any less of a good games platform. Might spell something for the Xbox though...

QFTHoI

I agree with Kentarou, BUT the poll says it all nice seeing you.

PS: Call of Duty and Killzone sell on 360, why? PC gamers are LINKED to XBox and Microsoft in a BIG way.

That is because all the people with PC games are using their pc to play awsomeness games! Not post on a forum about games!! If I was on an awsomenss gamer machine, I would be gone!

Seriously, PC's are better. They are just a multi-tooled console on steroids. In some situations, it is not always nessariy to use a BAZOOKA to do what a a super soaker can do.

Bipper

Seriously what have you proven? I still doj't get how PCs are better in any way.

what graphics?

like I said, consoles have ALOT of things going for them. Starting with the fact that you can play multi-player games with your WHOLE family(without having to buy 4 $3000 PCs just to play with them).

PC's are like a customised Hot rod. Gaming consoles are just a manuafactured Metro. Either way, I have personally built a pc for
$400 that lasted 5 years of gaming. Hardly more expensive than a console, especially any more. If you are buying a prefab computer, you should not be expecting to play any games on em

As per the actual topic. PC games are just better, as they have more modability and developers often have a more current hardware scope to work with.

The end.

Bipper

Who wants modability?:rolleyes2

And I still don't see how you've proven anything. Just saying their better because of modability isn't ANYTHING special.

I'd much rather have a COMPLETE game WELL DONE and polished and some half made game which you have to do everything for it. PCs are just 'bout graphics and how much more you can add to it:rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 THAT'S NOT GAMING

[Rase]

Who wants modability?:rolleyes2

Quite a few people apparently, since it's so popular.

And I still don't see how you've proven anything. Just saying their better because of modability isn't ANYTHING special.

Since it's much harder (if not impossible) to mod consoles, I would say that yes, it makes the games special.

I'd much rather have a COMPLETE game WELL DONE and polished and some half made game which you have to do everything for it.

How the hell does the capability to mod a game make it incomplete?

PCs are just 'bout graphics and how much more you can add to it:rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 THAT'S NOT GAMING

Yeah, because consoles aren't about graphics AT ALL. :rolleyes2
Also, when was it decided that you had the alst say in what can be called "gaming"? If someone enjoys modding Half-Life 2, why do you have a problem with that?

[bipper]

BETTER??????????????????????

You've GOTTA be kidding me :laugh: man oh man.

Anyway, to Trabovel:

What can be more fun than Super Smash Bros. Brawl online????? NOTHING that's what.
Believe me, consoles are gonna step all over PCs all over again in this next generation(not graphically, but stratigically and qualitically hehe =D ).

What an excellent comeback argument! I liked the way you used lots of unnecessary question marks, and then answered my post by avoiding the whole issue I presented you with! Top marks, a glorious career as a politician presents itself to you with open arms.

What can be more fun than Smash Bros Online? Lesse. Taking part in a forty man raid in WoW you kill a massive angry dragon, fighting against 20 bots with 4 people in Counter Strike: Source, naming yourselves famous political figures and fighting the good fight in Titan Quest at a LAN centre, and sending an orc army to crush the Imperial Guard in Dawn of War. Trust me, I've played these experiences, and they're golden, simply golden.
Also, do you have any actual proof that consoles are going to step all over Personal Computers? I remember people saying that about... 5 years ago. Can't quite remember why though.... oh yes... The PS2.

http://uk.pc.gamespy.com/pc/spore/707976p1.html

GameSpy: Still PC only?

[Will Wright]: Well, actually we are going to go on all platforms, but we will come out on PC first. We will even come out on cell phones and stuff.

That was just FYI, not exactly part of the debate.

The fact is, PC games have a larger number of high quality games that consoles do. They've been around longer, so they have the history going for them. Games designed for PCs are generally much better on PCs. Games designed for consoles are generally much better on consoles (Halo PC kinda sucks).

I remember seeing that written about the Movies. But I suppose it's probably true, considering it's EA.

PC may have variety but I don't see it in your post?........all the games you mention are war-related games which really get boring after a while(personally).

I'd still love to play Street Fighter online (with a GOOD controller) than any war/strategy game

Baldur's Gate/Thief/Max Payne 2/Rag Doll Kung Fu/Prince of Persia/GT Legends/Diablo 2. Those games were the ones I mentioned. None of them are war-related games.

Baldur's Gate: RPG, much like FF.
Thief: A game about being a Medieval Thief.
Max Payne 2: A game about shooting robbers and murderers.
Rag Doll Kung Fu: A game about ragdolls beating the crap out of each other.
Prince of Persia: a platform game.
GT Legends: A racing game.
Diablo 2: Another RPG.

Also: I congratulate you on loving Street Fighter Online, but I fail to see how that makes the entirety of consoles better. It's personal preference about one game.

is there a game like Mario Party there?

Is there a game like Super Smash Bros. or Street fighter?

Is THERE a game like Zelda?

A game like Final Fight?

PC fails man. It doesn't make people happy.

Just those people who like graphics and playing war-related games online

You ask me if there are beat 'em ups for the PC like you expect there to be. There isn't because PC games are normally played with the keyboard and mouse, the games are shaped around this fact.

But there are games like Zelda. Baldur's Gate 2 (the real one, not the crap console versions) is critically acclaimed by almost everybody but ignorant PC hateboys. And that, some people claim, surpasses Zelda, thanks to its variety, open endedness, and story.

It appears, by your list, that consoles are only for people that like playing beat 'em up.s I'm not a great fan. I quite like Tekken, but that's basically it as far as it goes. But I can see why people like them. They're good games, just I wouldn't buy them.

If PCs didn't make people happy, then the PC wouldn't have such a big market. It wouldn't have the biggest online gamers population. It wouldn't have one of the best selling games ever (Sims 2) in its ranks. It wouldn't constantly be stolen from by console developers (hello Doom 3, hello Half Life 2, hello Baldur's Gate, hello Everquest, hello Call of Duty, hello Spore, hello Max Payne, hello Far Cry, hello Battlefield, hello Battle for Middle Earth, hello The Sims, hello FEAR, etc etc....)

Your ignorant view points are hilarious. You say the PC is for those who only likes war games and graphics, even when I have already given you a complete list of games that have nothing at all to do with war.

Yes, but the best and most famous ones for PC are always war-related or shooting related or strategy related which falls in the war-realted genre(which I just made up ). Anyway, those games like FEAR and Call of Duty, I don't like those games, nor do they sell well, 'cause console gamers are not into that stuff, so it's REALLY pointless for developers import these games into consoles.

I remember back around 1995 when Microsoft claimed that PCs were gonna run consoles out of the market :laugh:

funny

Not true. Monkey Island is one of the most famous games, and that isn't war at all. Civilization 4 is another example. It has features of war in it, but you can play it perfectly peacefully, without having to go gun-ho. And in case you hadn't noticed, most games are about violence.

Onto your point about sales. It's rubbish. Call of Duty 2 on the Xbox360 got to number 1 in Britain, and is one of the most successful games on the console. Killzone did very well. Hang on... Halo did very well as well. These are war/shooting games, the ones you said gamers weren't interested in. Is that why self titled Halo beaters are still being made? As far as I can see, the beat 'em up market is failing, with less and less games of that genre coming out.

Also: Microsoft, in case you hadn't noticed, often lie. They are addicted to it. But that doesn't mean the PC is any less of a good games platform. Might spell something for the Xbox though...

QFTHoI

I agree with Kentarou, BUT the poll says it all nice seeing you.

PS: Call of Duty and Killzone sell on 360, why? PC gamers are LINKED to XBox and Microsoft in a BIG way.

That is because all the people with PC games are using their pc to play awsomeness games! Not post on a forum about games!! If I was on an awsomenss gamer machine, I would be gone!

Seriously, PC's are better. They are just a multi-tooled console on steroids. In some situations, it is not always nessariy to use a BAZOOKA to do what a a super soaker can do.

Bipper

Seriously what have you proven? I still doj't get how PCs are better in any way.

what graphics?

like I said, consoles have ALOT of things going for them. Starting with the fact that you can play multi-player games with your WHOLE family(without having to buy 4 $3000 PCs just to play with them).

PC's are like a customised Hot rod. Gaming consoles are just a manuafactured Metro. Either way, I have personally built a pc for
$400 that lasted 5 years of gaming. Hardly more expensive than a console, especially any more. If you are buying a prefab computer, you should not be expecting to play any games on em

As per the actual topic. PC games are just better, as they have more modability and developers often have a more current hardware scope to work with.

The end.

Bipper

Who wants modability?:rolleyes2

And I still don't see how you've proven anything. Just saying their better because of modability isn't ANYTHING special.

I'd much rather have a COMPLETE game WELL DONE and polished and some half made game which you have to do everything for it. PCs are just 'bout graphics and how much more you can add to it:rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 THAT'S NOT GAMING

PC games have more median to use; more muscle. I am not saying they are exclusivley better than consoles in any way... but they can be. You can use a controller, you can sit on your ass thirty feet away from you monitor. They can just do anything a console can physically do, and better.

This is not the subject - the subject is which platform gets the better games (or version thereof). I say PC. PC games are always very patchable as well, and they are just able to support more intense game play than any other manufactured system can.

Rase: IT is just too damn fun I can imagine you look much like your sig right now... prolly standing behind me....

Bipper

[KentaRawr!]

The quote pyramids are very pointy.