Proof that Tidus Zanarkand is on Spira (spoiler)

[Renmiri]

On the Ultimania Scenario guide map we can clearly see there is an area called Zanarkand Ruins and another, with different geography, called Zanarkand (Tidus Zanarkand)

[TRANS_AM409]

the one zanerkand is the dream of the fyath thats just the map to help you find your way aroun in that area i think

[Renmiri]

Yes!

Some people debate wether the dream of the fayth was actually in an island in Spira. Ultimania proves it is.

[Tavrobel]

The location of DZ is never stated directly in FFX, which leads people to believe that DZ is still 1000 years in the past, which it isn't. As far as the Ultimania goes, it does little other than to confirm that the people who know what they are talking about are correct. It wasn't there in the map just to "help people find their way around the area," but it was probably rather to clarify a misunderstanding.

[Renmiri]

I agree

[TRANS_AM409]

interesting this seems plauasable, i had always thought the DZ was just zanarkand over 1000 years ago.

[Tavrobel]

It's not. It's a representation of Zanarkand as it SHOULD have been 1000 years ago... except it continues to change and adapt and evolve over that 1000 years. Originally, it was likely that the people that became the fayth reconstructed Zanarkand in the area of 90-100% accuracy. However, because of the sheltered nature of DZ, it probably did not change as nature would have intended. For instance, while DZ was in Spira (albiet un-connected and separated by fear of Sin and guidance of Yu Yevon), the DZ characters knew nothing of the outside world.

It was completely surrounded by water on all sides, when 50% of the the real Zanarkand was surrounded by land. They didn't know of Gagazet (as evidenced by Tidus's reaction to the concept of Spira existing in the first place), which was directly South of the original city, and their first major line of defense should war ever arise (and Gagazet did stop the Yevonites for a time until they finally surpassed its creepiness). Yevon also likely reset DZ to its original standing when it was first created, to avoid catastophe, or to undo with any of its citizenry "learning the truth."

There's alot of details and nuances about DZ which can be very confusing.
Subtext and linking things together for the win.
At least it's canon and not complete crazy talk such as... say...
Riku's Nobody = Axel, or Yuna = is dead, but hides it.

[TRANS_AM409]

thats sounds good to me but could the dz people leave any time across the sea and didnt cause they thought the sea was endless or somthing or would sin have to take them?

[Renmiri]

Like Truman on the Truman show ?

Nope, what happened is that Yu Yevon reset the memories of anyone in DZ who learned the truth. (Ultimania Omega guide). Also, being born and raised with no one traveling, after a few generations the DZ people would think that not leaving town is normal...

Perhaps someone in the Universe wonders why we on Earth never left our solar system, yet to most here on Earth space travel was crazy talk until the 1900s... Heck, they thought FLYING above the ground was crazy talk..

[TRANS_AM409]

oh i see some one should post some of the stuff of the Ultimania Omega guide some where or tell me where i could look at it.

[Mirage]

Yep. When the fayth "dreams" Zanarkand, they actually summon it, along with all its citizens. That's how sin could get there, and how he could exist in the rest of Spira.

No one would be likely to find it, seeing as their technology was pretty low-level, and no one dared to travel into the unknown oceans, because of the threat of Sin.
The last part is what I think, so don't mistake it for the absolute and undeniable truth :p.

[bipper]

Would it be like the esper gate from Final fantasy VI? Or are you proposing it is an entire island that exists and should have been stumbled upon a by random sailors, minus what mirage just said. What I don't get is that we watch sin destroy the 'ell outta the town, or do some damn good damage, but was sin created to protect Zanarkand and its denzions?

I never look to far into this game cause I pretty much hate it, but I should give it a closer look.

[added] The shape of the island looks ver familiar.?

[Mirage]

Well, I'm not sure, but it would appear Jecht still had some free will left, enough to go there to get his son out. Even if he did destroy it, it would be possible to summon it again.

[Roto13]

So, why is Jecht the only person from Zanarkand to have found Spira? And how did Auron get back and forth between the two?

[Cookie]

Maybe it's because hes dead