sephiroth

[sephiroth 4]

i like sephiroth because he is cool about killing people and has a good act of being evil then like pretty boy on ff9 and a stupid clown on ff6

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

This goes in the FFVII section.

And I contend that Sephiroth is not a great villain because he lacks a plausible character development, his "evil" is restricted to burning down one village and being a corpse frozen in a block of ice, and that there are many villains who are far, far better.

[boys from the dwarf]

true. sephiroth is great but kekfa has the ego and sadistic craziness as well as ruthless infinite power and kuja is poetic, clever and in FF9 any scene with kuja in is instantly a good scene. this thread might turn into some sort of hate thread and just cause arguments. whats the point of this thread?

[Rengori]

Kuja started a major war, backstabbed the nation he sided with, destroyed Alexandria, and decimated a whole planet.

Kefka took over an empire, poisoned an entire kingdom, made the planet a dry wasteland, and became a God.

Sephiroth torched a village, killed a snake, killed a woman who actually needed to be killed to stop Sephiroth, and summoned a meteor which failed to kill anything, almost all of this under the control of Jenova.

I'm not seeing how him being his own demise stacks up to Kuja or Kefka's evil deeds. If anything Shinra was a far more evil than Sephiroth. Sure, you can kill them and end their suffering, or you can oppress them and slowly kill the planet.

[FF_Chick]

I agree. ShinRa was far more better than Sephiroth. It was funny how you said that stuff about Sephiroth XD.

[Flying Mullet]

I don't get it. Sephiroth looks up at you through a bunch of flames and all of a sudden he's cool. I guarantee you if that one FMV wasn't in FFVII he wouldn't be half as popular as he is.

[Rengori]

I don't get it. Sephiroth looks up at you through a bunch of flames and all of a sudden he's cool. I guarantee you if that one FMV wasn't in FFVII he wouldn't be half as popular as he is.

I remember hearing from another member (can't remember who) that they stopped the FMV seconds before he burst into flames and started rolling around trying to put himself out.

[Ryushikaze]

Kuja started a major war, backstabbed the nation he sided with, destroyed Alexandria, and decimated a whole planet.

Kefka took over an empire, poisoned an entire kingdom, made the planet a dry wasteland, and became a God.

Sephiroth torched a village, killed a snake, killed a woman who actually needed to be killed to stop Sephiroth, and summoned a meteor which failed to kill anything, almost all of this under the control of Jenova.

I'm not seeing how him being his own demise stacks up to Kuja or Kefka's evil deeds. If anything Shinra was a far more evil than Sephiroth. Sure, you can kill them and end their suffering, or you can oppress them and slowly kill the planet.

He wasn't under Jenova's control. He controlled Jenova. His deeds are still not as evil as Kefka, Ulti, Kuja, or Yu Yevon.

[Xurts]

Sephiroth torched a village, killed a snake, killed a woman who actually needed to be killed to stop Sephiroth, and summoned a meteor which failed to kill anything, almost all of this under the control of Jenova.

Sephiroth never killed Aeris.

[FF_Chick]

Yeah. She just was TOO wounded to have a Pheonix down or a Life spell casted on her <_<...

[Psychotic]

Sephiroth torched a village, killed a snake, killed a woman who actually needed to be killed to stop Sephiroth, and summoned a meteor which failed to kill anything, almost all of this under the control of Jenova.

Don't forget he took out half the Shinra building, and President Shinra, leaving a mucky trail of blood. If you don't think he's evil, I defy you to call the Midgar Cleaner's Union and ask what they have to say on the matter.

I've always contended that Sephiroth was a good villain, mainly because whenever he appeared and "Those Chosen By The Planet" played, it struck fear into my 11/12 year old self. I was actually scared of the guy. To me at least, that means they did something right.

[Christmas]

Sephiroth torched a village, killed a snake, killed a woman who actually needed to be killed to stop Sephiroth, and summoned a meteor which failed to kill anything, almost all of this under the control of Jenova.

Sephiroth never killed Aeris.

[Rengori]

Sephiroth torched a village, killed a snake, killed a woman who actually needed to be killed to stop Sephiroth, and summoned a meteor which failed to kill anything, almost all of this under the control of Jenova.

Don't forget he took out half the Shinra building, and President Shinra, leaving a mucky trail of blood. If you don't think he's evil, I defy you to call the Midgar Cleaner's Union and ask what they have to say on the matter.

I don't know, Shinra was the greater of the two evils and I always thought it was more of a good deed he killed all of those Shinra employes and the President.

[Kefka_Almighty]

Lets have a list of the crimes of Kefka, Sephiroth, and Kuja:

Kefka:
- Attempts to burn down two areas: Figaro Castle (fails only because they then go under ground) and Thamsasa (arguably, we don't know if he succeeds or not, but it doesn't really matter after the WoR occurs)
- Poisons an entire Kingdom, killing all inhabitants except one
-Unleashes three bound gods, uses their power to blast his emperor into submission before jumping on his neck to break it and kicking his corpse over the side of the Floating Continent
- Kills his fellow general after he corners him for attempting to carry out the destruction of Thamsasa
- Destroys the Esper's land and proceeds to basically carry out a mass genocide against them, turning them into Magicite
- Becomes God and decides to destroy the world bit by bit, reveling in the despair and misery of the people instead of destroying it outright; technically had achieved complete victory for a year before being defeated.

Kuja:
- Controls and manipulates an entire kingdom, starting a near world-spanning war
- Kills his own mentor
- Goes trance and proceeds to destroy HIS own entire homeworld
- Damages the life sustaining crystal in an attempt to brind death upon all things, thus releasing Necron

Sephiroth:
- Burns down a village (is cut down shortly thereafter by Cloud and remains a corpse enclosed in ice for five or so years)
- Kills the Midgar Zolom (not a real crime; merely killing a monster and impaling it isn't exactly against the law)
- Kills President ShinRa and several ShinRa employees/soldiers (the employees can somewhat be considered innocents, but it's hard to feel sorry for ShinRa and the soldiers)
- Kills Aeris (thus sealing his own failure)
- Summons Meteor (arguably the only thing he had really succeeded in doing truly right)

Sephiroth was an interesting character to an extent, but in terms of pure evil and maliciousness, Kefka and Kuja EASILY trump him.

[boys from the dwarf]

Sephiroth torched a village, killed a snake, killed a woman who actually needed to be killed to stop Sephiroth, and summoned a meteor which failed to kill anything, almost all of this under the control of Jenova.

Sephiroth never killed Aeris.

what do you mean. aeris was stabbed and the game clearly states she is dead. im assuming that you mean that clone (who may have been controlled by jenova. im not sure.) killed aeris. after all. sephiroth cant be frozen in the northern crater and kill aeris at the same time. my guess is that the starter of this thread was completely ignorant of all of the evil and clever and insane things that other FF villains do.