Most Manipulative Villain

[The Crystal]

In your opinion, who is the most smart and manipulative main villain in the FF series, and why?

[FiragaBreak]

Sephiroth would be the best.

[Flying Mullet]

This isn't for the best villian, it's for the most manipulative.

Sephiroth isn't even manipulative. He's not involved for half the game and it's Jenova that's doing any manipulating of the clones and whatnot.

From the poll, I'd have to go with Kuja, as he's behind the scenes for much of the game, truely manipulating what happens in the world of FFIX.

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

OK, I had to add other to this poll. Because really, none of those villains hold a candle to the likes of the FFT villains.

So in this case, I'd say Dycedarg or (if you want to count him) Delita. They raise manipulation to an art form.

[Yuffie514]

for all the ones which i have played (from PlayStation and up) - Ultimecia. taking control of other sorceresses. that's why Final Fantasy VIII was such absolute fun.

[The Crystal]

In my opinion, Ultimecia is the most manipulative. Manipulated President Delling and the entire Galbadia army, become ruler of Galbadia, make her enemys(Gardens and Seeds) fight against each other, created a very cool plan to free Adel(Lunatic Pandora going to the Lunar's Point, Ultimecia/Rinoa freeing Adel, the Lunar Cry hapening, and throwing Adel inside the LP. All of this hapening in the same time, with a perfect precision), and in the end, she needed time to complete the process of Time Compressio(to be capable of absorbing time) and because of this, she make the monsters of her castle steal the abilitys of the heros, to make them waste their time fighting against them, while the Time Compression was hapening.
She is very manipulative.


Bantam said:
"Sephiroth isn't even manipulative. He's not involved for half the game and it's Jenova that's doing any manipulating of the clones and whatnot."

The Ultimania Guide said that Sephiroth was controlling Jenova during the game.

Edit by Kishi: Don't double-post.

[FiragaBreak]

SCREW YOU ALL!!!
Why must you dis Sephie like that.

[The Crystal]

Behold the Void said:
"OK, I had to add other to this poll. Because really, none of those villains hold a candle to the likes of the FFT villains.
So in this case, I'd say Dycedarg or (if you want to count him) Delita. They raise manipulation to an art form."

I don't put the FFT villain in the poll, exactly because of this. They will win for sure. Puting the FFT villain in a poll like this, is the same thing as puting Sephiroth in a poll that said "Who is the more badass villain?".

[Flying Mullet]

I don't put the FFT villain in the poll, exactly because of this. They will win for sure. Puting the FFT villain in a poll like this, is the same thing as puting Sephiroth in a poll that said "Who is the more badass villain?".

Except that putting Sephiroth in a "Who is the more badass villain?" poll doesn't compare because he would get some votes, but not a majority.

[The Crystal]

Bantam said:
"Except that putting Sephiroth in a "Who is the more badass villain?" poll doesn't compare because he would get some votes, but not a majority."

Do you think so? Because in another forums, when someone create a poll like this, Sephiroth allways win.

PS: How i can answer someone with the quote of this someone? Because the "Reply with quote" link, is not working.

[Flying Mullet]

Every thread we've had on the topic here has always resulted in a three-way split between Kefka, Sephiroth and Kuja with a few random others sprinkled in. Are you visiting FFVII fan sites? That might explain why there is so much love for Sephiroth wherever it is you frequent, because I've never seen one villian "sweep" the rest of the competition. That's part of what makes the series so great, as there isn't a clear-cut winner or loser and there's always room for debate.

As to the quote function not working, the forums were just updated, so the bugs are being worked out. See the announcements for more information.

[Tempest]

I agree with Void about FFT. That game was full of manipulaters. Hell, one of the chapter titles has the word manipulater in it, I believe. Dycedarg, Vormav, Delita. They win the Most Manipulative Villain Award.

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

I'm kind of holding out for Vayne. FFXII was written and directed by Matsuno, the same guy behind FFT and Vagrant Story, and the game's cast allegedly have a number of underhanded political agendas between them.

[Moon Rabbits]

Ultimecia.

[Thorn]

How could you not put Seymour in? He takes over the church of Yu Yevon and makes everybody in Spira trust him.

I bet you the "Others" are all him.

2nd most manipulative is Kuja. Theres a very large gap after that.