Is Advent Children REALLY better then SW?

[Maux]

Maybe a factory is producing all the clones? Honestly the movie leaves so many things unexplained, that all we can really do is guess. Although about all the FF7 spinoffs, as happened with mario, but Mario is still a highly popular game series. Maybe they will make a Final Fantasy 7 battle royal game or something? But yes some people would get sick of it, and stop buying, but a lot would probably continue to buy as well. It just depends, some spinoffs are crap others are not.

[Zeromus_X]

Don't worry, it won't just be FFVII. They'll do this with all the FFs from now on. :D

Of course, the solution is to just stop buying them, but, well, try convincing everyone else to not do that. AC and DoC are interesting, and I suppose adds more to the FFVII mythos, but we really don't need this much crap. (Turks cell phone game? Eh? A one episode sequel to a spin off? I'm lost.)

But, enough of that, I'm going off-topic.

[Xurts]

Maybe a factory is producing all the clones? Honestly the movie leaves so many things unexplained, that all we can really do is guess. Although about all the FF7 spinoffs, as happened with mario, but Mario is still a highly popular game series. Maybe they will make a Final Fantasy 7 battle royal game or something? But yes some people would get sick of it, and stop buying, but a lot would probably continue to buy as well. It just depends, some spinoffs are crap others are not.

AC solves all of the questions/problems, it does not add any.

[Ishin Ookami]

Maybe a factory is producing all the clones? Honestly the movie leaves so many things unexplained, that all we can really do is guess. Although about all the FF7 spinoffs, as happened with mario, but Mario is still a highly popular game series. Maybe they will make a Final Fantasy 7 battle royal game or something? But yes some people would get sick of it, and stop buying, but a lot would probably continue to buy as well. It just depends, some spinoffs are crap others are not.

AC solves all of the questions/problems, it does not add any.

No, it doesn't. At no time do we get told where these three fruitcakes that are new villains sprouted up from. It certainly wasn't the northern crater, as that thing erupted and would have fried any and all genetic material left in that crater. So where and when did sephiroth have time to plant these three freaks? that's just one of a billion questions Advent doesn't answer.

and also, keep in mind that if Advent really is a profit, then it's a modest one at best. With less then three million copies sold, and less then a full third of that profit being in japan, where it was available for almost ten months before it was released internationally, thats just flat out bad and has gotta sting square's pocketbooks. Spirits within sold better then that, but at the same time cost alot more to make.

[Xurts]

No, it doesn't. At no time do we get told where these three fruitcakes that are new villains sprouted up from. It certainly wasn't the northern crater, as that thing erupted and would have fried any and all genetic material left in that crater. So where and when did sephiroth have time to plant these three freaks? that's just one of a billion questions Advent doesn't answer.

Sephiroth created them using his own will and contaminated Spirit Energy. Holy would not have affected either of these things.

Their creation didn't happen instantly anyway, since it took them two years to emerge from the Northern Crater.

and also, keep in mind that if Advent really is a profit, then it's a modest one at best. With less then three million copies sold, and less then a full third of that profit being in japan, where it was available for almost ten months before it was released internationally, thats just flat out bad and has gotta sting square's pocketbooks. Spirits within sold better then that, but at the same time cost alot more to make.

I think the main thing behind AC's poor sales is that Square never advertised it at all (at least not in the US, I don't know about Japan). So only dedicated fans who go looking for the information are going to learn about it, unless they hear about it from their friends.

SW, on the other hand, was advertised a lot, and it was even showed in theaters. That's one of the main reasons why it sold so much better.

[Ishin Ookami]

No, it doesn't. At no time do we get told where these three fruitcakes that are new villains sprouted up from. It certainly wasn't the northern crater, as that thing erupted and would have fried any and all genetic material left in that crater. So where and when did sephiroth have time to plant these three freaks? that's just one of a billion questions Advent doesn't answer.

Sephiroth created them using his own will and contaminated Spirit Energy. Holy would not have affected either of these things.

Their creation didn't happen instantly anyway, since it took them two years to emerge from the Northern Crater.

and also, keep in mind that if Advent really is a profit, then it's a modest one at best. With less then three million copies sold, and less then a full third of that profit being in japan, where it was available for almost ten months before it was released internationally, thats just flat out bad and has gotta sting square's pocketbooks. Spirits within sold better then that, but at the same time cost alot more to make.

I think the main thing behind AC's poor sales is that Square never advertised it at all (at least not in the US, I don't know about Japan). So only dedicated fans who go looking for the information are going to learn about it, unless they hear about it from their friends.

SW, on the other hand, was advertised a lot, and it was even showed in theaters. That's one of the main reasons why it sold so much better.

First of all, regarding the seph clones, at no time is it mentioned how they were created, it is only stated "they are remnants".

second of all, as I previously stated, if they did indeed sprout up in the northern crater, it is one of the films worst plot points. that crater erupted, there shouldn't even be a crater anymore since the magma would have solidified and sealed the crater, and any genetic material would have been fried KFC style.

and lastly, Square enix advertised Advent immensely. showing a trailer at the 2005 venice film festival, frequent advertisements and interviews in a variety of gaming magazines, a thorough revival of the Final Fantasy VII franchise, and eight months of pushing back the release date in a pathetic attempt to drive up demand. Square used every attempt in the book to push sales of Advent Children, and it floundered utterly. AC was marketed in much the same way Spirits Within was, and I'd say one of the reasons square balked on a theatrical release for AC was it's poor sales in japan. But regardless, gamers were just as aware of AC as they were of SW, And having AC tie into a actual video game increases it's overall demand among gaming audiences then SW did.

Personally, I think AC is a horrid film, but I'm not going to say that it's poor performance is proof positive of just how bad it is (though I will say it's a factor). SW got slammed in theatres, and i loved it immensely. Some of my favorite movies such as Army of Darkness, performed not so great in theatres and films I loathe, such as Last Samurai, did great in theatres. I think part of AC's poor performance is that the old school crowd has more or less given up on square, since Sakaguchi took off and formed mistwalker taking amano and uematsu with him. There are more gamers in their twenties and thirties then you would think, and I find these people constitute the majority of squares critics today. The other half, the part that alienates non FF and/or video game fans, is that the story and direction really is crap. Clouds life being saved because that bullett hits his shades, and is deflected entirely, Aerieth being used time and again as a Deus Ex Machina plot device, nonsensical plot points such as the children being THAT stupid as to drink scat infected water while one of their own is held prisoner, or even to think a group of freaky looking leather loving misfits driving a beat up truck has the cure while doctors don't, the sudden and contrived resolution of clouds self doubt, the poor direction of the fight scenes, these are all factors that will alienate discriminating film buffs like myself.

[Xurts]

First of all, regarding the seph clones, at no time is it mentioned how they were created, it is only stated "they are remnants".

Not everything is going to be explained. You have to think sometimes.

second of all, as I previously stated, if they did indeed sprout up in the northern crater, it is one of the films worst plot points. that crater erupted, there shouldn't even be a crater anymore since the magma would have solidified and sealed the crater, and any genetic material would have been fried KFC style.

Once Sephiroth was out of the way Holy was able to take effect and battle Meteor. What "erupted" out of the Northern Crater was HOLY, nothing else.

Magma? Who said anything about magma? No.

and lastly, Square enix advertised Advent immensely. showing a trailer at the 2005 venice film festival, frequent advertisements and interviews in a variety of gaming magazines, a thorough revival of the Final Fantasy VII franchise, and eight months of pushing back the release date in a pathetic attempt to drive up demand. Square used every attempt in the book to push sales of Advent Children, and it floundered utterly. AC was marketed in much the same way Spirits Within was, and I'd say one of the reasons square balked on a theatrical release for AC was it's poor sales in japan. But regardless, gamers were just as aware of AC as they were of SW, And having AC tie into a actual video game increases it's overall demand among gaming audiences then SW did.

Well I never saw ONE advertisement ANYWHERE for it.

Personally, I think AC is a horrid film, but I'm not going to say that it's poor performance is proof positive of just how bad it is (though I will say it's a factor). SW got slammed in theatres, and i loved it immensely. Some of my favorite movies such as Army of Darkness, performed not so great in theatres and films I loathe, such as Last Samurai, did great in theatres. I think part of AC's poor performance is that the old school crowd has more or less given up on square, since Sakaguchi took off and formed mistwalker taking amano and uematsu with him. There are more gamers in their twenties and thirties then you would think, and I find these people constitute the majority of squares critics today. The other half, the part that alienates non FF and/or video game fans, is that the story and direction really is crap. Clouds life being saved because that bullett hits his shades, and is deflected entirely, Aerieth being used time and again as a Deus Ex Machina plot device, nonsensical plot points such as the children being THAT stupid as to drink scat infected water while one of their own is held prisoner, or even to think a group of freaky looking leather loving misfits driving a beat up truck has the cure while doctors don't, the sudden and contrived resolution of clouds self doubt, the poor direction of the fight scenes, these are all factors that will alienate discriminating film buffs like myself.

I have to admit, I didn't quite get the bullet-to-the-face part myself. That's one of the very, very few things that didn't make sense. When I see little things like that I don't get all worked up about it. EVERY movie has flaws. No movie is absolutely perfect and lacking any sort of error whatsoever.

Those kids had a life-threatening disease. I'm sure they were willing to try anything to be rid of it.

After Cloud discovers that Aeris didn't blame him for her death, he forgives himself for all of his past "failures" and finds new motivation to fight.

You just have to listen to the movie, dude. If you are that damn determined to find problems with it, then why watch it? gtfo and go watch SW or some other movie you enjoy. Stop bothering us.

If I had the time to waste to go and watch SW again, I could sit there and find just as many, if not more, mistakes in the movie as AC.

[Lilliputian Hitcher]

Not everything is going to be explained. You have to think sometimes.

And from the line 'They are Remnants' you managed to get 'Sephiroth created them using his own will and contaminated Spirit Energy'? I'll bet you anything that that wasn't so much you thinking as it was you reading it on some website.

Sometimes the director does want you to think. Other times it's just plain old crappy writing.

[Xurts]

However, Sephiroth's will is -- as was said by Tetsuya Nomura in The Distance: The Making of Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children -- above all and second to none. He refused to allow himself to be absorbed into the Lifestream to simply become a memory. As such, his consciousness -- as it dispersed through the Lifestream's Spirit Energy -- contaminated the surrounding Spirit Energy with his will, and he then made himself manifest once more, though he was now divided into three seperate entities, all with seperate aspects of his consciousness, and, thereby, their own unique personalities.

There you have it, straight from Nomura himself.

[Lilliputian Hitcher]

And that supplements your point of 'You have to think sometimes' how?

[Xurts]

And that supplements your point of 'You have to think sometimes' how?

Not everything is going to be explained. You have to think sometimes.

That was just an example of something that is explained. The Shadow Creepers are something you have to think about.

[Necronopticous]

Egh, I don't really know how you can argue one was better than the other. As far as opinion goes, I enjoyed both of them immensely, although I have to say I enjoyed Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children a bit more.

[Lilliputian Hitcher]

That was just an example of something that is explained. The Shadow Creepers are something you have to think about.

No, if he really wanted people to 'think', Tetsuya Nomura wouldn't have told us (directly no less) what the scene means. As it stands, there was absolutely no way in order to tell how the Silver Haired Men came into existence and Nomura having to explain it to us later only emphasizes this point.

[Darkwing Bahamut]

I enjoyed Advent Children more than Spirits Within. The characters in Advent Children are more likeable and it's got more action in it.

[f f freak]

I think AC was like ten times better than Spirits Within. Spirits Within had nothing to do with Final Fantasy. It should not have been called Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within.