Most Manipulative Villain

[Flying Mullet]

Yes, please say more.

[boys from the dwarf]

it would be nice to know your reasoning and also firaga breaks reasoning for sephiroth.

[ljkkjlcm9]

Your only real choices here are FFIV, VIII, IX and T, cause they're by far the manipulative villians.

THE JACKEL

[*~Angel Wing~*]

Sephiroth, Ultimecia and Yu Yevon.

[The Crystal]

Guys, you have to remember that the Ultimania Guide said that Sephiroth was controlling Jenova.

[Shiny]

I suppose Yu Yevon, because he was able to trick people into becoming his followers. And they all bought into it.

[Rengori]

I'm going to say Kuja, he manipulated an entire nation to start a continental war.

Though these people in FFT sound like manipulative bastards.

[Flying Mullet]

Regardless of whether Sephiroth was controlling Jenova or vice-versa, neither was that manipulative, so it doesn't matter.

[LunarWeaver]

I'd say Dycedarg or (if you want to count him) Delita. They raise manipulation to an art form.

[rubah]

Seymour is definitely manipulative. Think back to what he told wakka right before Operation Mi'ihen. "Pretend you didn't see them." "Pretend I didn't say it"

I can't remember sephiroth manipulating anyone. He didn't say much of anything for that matter, he just stabbed people. Edea/Adel and Ultimecia brain washed people, but that's hardly true manipulation. That's just puppetry. Seymour is sly and disconcerting.

Kefka wasn't so much manipulative so much as whiny and insano.

I vaguely remember Golbez having a bit of a manipulative streak in that he kidnapped Rosa, but I haven't played ff4 in a while

But really, I think seymour wins the prize for this one.

[The Crystal]

rubah said:
"Edea/Adel and Ultimecia brain washed people, but that's hardly true manipulation. That's just puppetry."


Well...
"In my opinion, Ultimecia is the most manipulative. Manipulated President Delling and the entire Galbadia army, become ruler of Galbadia, make her enemys(Gardens and Seeds) fight against each other, created a very cool plan to free Adel(Lunatic Pandora going to the Lunar's Point, Ultimecia/Rinoa freeing Adel, the Lunar Cry hapening, and throwing Adel inside the LP. All of this hapening in the same time, with a perfect precision), and in the end, she needed time to complete the process of Time Compressio(to be capable of absorbing time) and because of this, she make the monsters of her castle steal the abilitys of the heros, to make them waste their time fighting against them, while the Time Compression was hapening.
She is very manipulative."
Note that i don't said anything about controlling the sorceresses. Ultimecia is a puppeter AND a manipulator.

[Crossblades]

I always felt Kuja, Kefka, Zemus, and Cloud of Darkness were very manipulative

[Shadow Masamune]

This isn't for the best villian, it's for the most manipulative.

Sephiroth isn't even manipulative. He's not involved for half the game and it's Jenova that's doing any manipulating of the clones and whatnot.

I disagree; remember that time that Sephiroth killed Aeris? Before she was stabbed, he manipulated Cloud into almost killing her; however, Cloud caught himself in the last minute.

I just finished Disc I of Final Fantasy IX and Find Kuja quite manipulative.

rubah said:
"Edea/Adel and Ultimecia brain washed people, but that's hardly true manipulation. That's just puppetry."


Well...
"In my opinion, Ultimecia is the most manipulative. Manipulated President Delling and the entire Galbadia army, become ruler of Galbadia, make her enemys(Gardens and Seeds) fight against each other, created a very cool plan to free Adel(Lunatic Pandora going to the Lunar's Point, Ultimecia/Rinoa freeing Adel, the Lunar Cry hapening, and throwing Adel inside the LP. All of this hapening in the same time, with a perfect precision), and in the end, she needed time to complete the process of Time Compressio(to be capable of absorbing time) and because of this, she make the monsters of her castle steal the abilitys of the heros, to make them waste their time fighting against them, while the Time Compression was hapening.
She is very manipulative."
Note that i don't said anything about controlling the sorceresses. Ultimecia is a puppeter AND a manipulator.

EXACTLY! However thus far, Ultimecia is the most manipulative; controlling Sorceress Edea then Rinoa and Adel accross different time periods all at the same time? She pwns everyone!!!