watch your tongue. no ones "dissing" sephiroth but it is true. its mainly jenova who is doing the manipulating and sephiroth doesnt do much for most of the game. why dont you explain your reasons for saying that sephiroth is the most manipulative? i think kuja. he so easily decieves brahne and reigns terror upon the world without anyone noticing most of the time. he also does some great stuff on disk 3. ultimecia is manipulative but i dont think shes as good at it as kuja. E.G. kuja just walks into alexandria castle and fools everyone but ultimecia is doing it in the future where no one can touch her. and im not sure if mind control is as clever and interesting as the things kuja does. ultimecia might be more effective when manipulating but kuja is better at it in my opinion.Originally Posted by FiragaBreak
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