Quote Originally Posted by Bantam View Post
This isn't for the best villian, it's for the most manipulative.

Sephiroth isn't even manipulative. He's not involved for half the game and it's Jenova that's doing any manipulating of the clones and whatnot.
I disagree; remember that time that Sephiroth killed Aeris? Before she was stabbed, he manipulated Cloud into almost killing her; however, Cloud caught himself in the last minute.

I just finished Disc I of Final Fantasy IX and Find Kuja quite manipulative.

Quote Originally Posted by The Crystal View Post
rubah said:
"Edea/Adel and Ultimecia brain washed people, but that's hardly true manipulation. That's just puppetry."


Well...
"In my opinion, Ultimecia is the most manipulative. Manipulated President Delling and the entire Galbadia army, become ruler of Galbadia, make her enemys(Gardens and Seeds) fight against each other, created a very cool plan to free Adel(Lunatic Pandora going to the Lunar's Point, Ultimecia/Rinoa freeing Adel, the Lunar Cry hapening, and throwing Adel inside the LP. All of this hapening in the same time, with a perfect precision), and in the end, she needed time to complete the process of Time Compressio(to be capable of absorbing time) and because of this, she make the monsters of her castle steal the abilitys of the heros, to make them waste their time fighting against them, while the Time Compression was hapening.
She is very manipulative."
Note that i don't said anything about controlling the sorceresses. Ultimecia is a puppeter AND a manipulator.
EXACTLY! However thus far, Ultimecia is the most manipulative; controlling Sorceress Edea then Rinoa and Adel accross different time periods all at the same time? She pwns everyone!!!