Quote Originally Posted by ShunNakamura View Post
I would love for you to use wiki as an only source at any of the colleges or schools at my area... I have had freinds who get an instant zero for using that as thier only sourch. It does not count as a valid official source.
really valid point and i'm impressed by your thinking., yes? Wiki is not my only source, and I invoked it only in order to counter your claim that the common usage did not preclude the inclusive definition, when Wiki- which is a popularity game as often as not- includes it.

And even then Wiki supports me by saying that in English countries it is used in that specific way.
IS COMMONLY used. Not exclusively.

As for that post I do something called reading inbetween the lines. See the person was speaking english, was an english speaker(to my knowledge) and likely resides in an english country. Now I read inbetween see that they were likely talking about the english use of the word.
And I see them making the same sort of error as saying that the word katana can only apply to a particular type of sword. You seem to be projecting onto me the really valid point and i'm impressed by your thinking. that I don't allow the usage of the other definition at all, when my entire point is that both are valid in their own ways, and when that seems to be exactly what you're doing to me.
If two languages have two different usages for a given word, both usages are correct, despite language.