PAK:
Firstly, in FF8 the future DOES exist. As Lilliputian Hitcher pointed out, Ultimecia lies in Squall and Co's future, yet they carry on as if they're in the present. This in itself implies that since the past and future coexist, the notion of a present becomes entirely relative. Although this does not prove that all of the future exists, something else does:
Ellone states that you cannot change the past. Logically speaking this is only possible if all future timetravelling events already exist and are set in stone, and hence we can conclude that ALL the future exists just as much as the past. Hence compression of all of time is possible. For a more detailed explanation of this argument, please refer to the FAQ.
Now secondly, as Lilliputian Hitcher also says, your assertion that compressing the future would cause Ultimecias death is entirely baseless, and can instantly be refuted by the observation that the event in which Ultimecia dies happens in the past you say Ultimecia compresses (remember Ultimecia dies in the orphanage when Squall is but a young boy). But besides that, there really isn't any reason as to why compression of the future should not be possible.
This doesn't make much sense either. The compressed events do not dissapear. Once TC is over they all go back to where they belong, so to speak.More than likely those 'fated' still standing dominoes will disappear.
Who said zombies don't have feelings?!Y'know what I think about that shattering helmet and 'faceless Squall'? I think Squall died when Edea killed him. That's why he cried at the end.
And? Threads like that DO exist today, and it can easily be demonstrated that Laguna is Squall's father beyond any shadow of a doubt, by merely listing all the unambigously strong hints and applying a bit of simple reasoning.Originally Posted by Wilder
R=U is different. It hasn't been confirmed, but it doesn't have lots of unambiguous, strong hints to prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt, and simple reasoning suggests that it can't even be possible to begin with.
I don't see your point. Sure, if Square announced that R=U, then yes, all those "hints" would be valid. But Square has done no such thing, and never will, so what's your point?But, R-U Case is a different one, because, what would happen if square hipotetically says that Rinoa is ultimecia officially ? that would mean that all the points in the theory are really hints to take the player to this conclusion. I said hipotetically because I doubt that official statement will exist to prove it false or true, this discussion is good for the sales.
"Asbolute meanings" are entirely uninteresting to discuss. Technically speaking, anything could be true. Irvine could be Ultimecia. Selphie may be the first born of a Moomba and a Chocobo. We can only discuss in any meaningful manner reasonable and plausible truths; we can weigh up all points and arguments for a certain theory and conclude which is more plausible and reasonable.Nobody can make a statement about the absolute meaning of the last FMV, and in some of those guides Iīve read something like that.
What happens in Ultimecia's universe is irrelevant, because in it, she would be immortal anyway. Any sorceress who dies in FF8 has to give up her powers stat. Simple as that.The quote from ultimania is a strong counterpoint, A Sorceress' lifespan is the same as a normal human's, however they cannot die until they have passed on their power to the next Sorceress. but I keep asking , what happen if the witch dont pass her power ?, And I know what you are thinking, she must run and give her powers to somebody obligatory, but what happens in ultimecia universe where is nobody else to pass the torch. (there comes the time travel theories)
