"I don't think Sorceresses are 'immortal' or anything like that. However, there have been people to have lived several generations...

IF Rinoa were to become Ultimecia, and let's not focus on the sanity bit, it could be alshiemers; could she have aged normally, but cosmetically not aged, like Sorceress Edea? Edea was about in her 30's when she Succeeded Ultimecia, right? After 18 + years, you kinda wonder she would have aged a little bit, right?. I know we've discussed this some time ago earlier in the thread but we got off topic. What do you think?

Now I have to add, incase I get banned because of my previous outburst, that there is nothing solidly against the possibility of Rinoa becoming Ultimecia and I like to discuss it.

A lot of people will always say things like 'it's not in the game' but the thing is there are a lot things that are not in the game. Most like to stick with the "Happy Ending" but the way I see it, it left me with a lot of questions the second time I played a saved game... Ultimecia still exists in the future, because of the The Fated Children and Ellone, she possesses all Sorceresses through time, but what's "not in the game" is who is the next Sorceress after Rinoa? In the game there are no other Sorceresses other than Rinoa. So who is her successor? This left to speculation of those that want to support the happy ending and causes tension for those that believe that Rinoa could become Ultimecia. The final FMV is suggestive to that suspicion.

Was the visions Squall was seeing a hallucination? Was it Rinoa trying to 'find him'? Was it Squall trying to find a memory to hang onto to bring him back to Rinoa? Or was the exploding helmet a symbolism for Rinoa telling Squall he should have let her die in space as she attempted to? Or was it Squall realizing that it was Rinoa that he need not be afraid of dying, but himself.

More questions than answers. And the battlelines are drawn. I think that Rinoa=Ultimecia should be a discussion and not a debate. No one has any official ruling or 'facts' to support or refute it. It's fantasy and it should be fun to talk about it.

Like in the olden days of FFVI... Did Shadow die at the end? Or did he just continue to wander the world? Was he really Relm's father? The suggests it to the point of "You crazy? OF COURSE HE WAS!", to... Hmm... He could have been a comrade in arms to "Barom" or whoever his partner that fell in combat was, who possibly was Relm's real father. Either way you see it, it's fantasy and fun to discuss.

All the Final Fantasies I have played have always left the players to draw their own conclusion. And whether we see the same conclusion or not the fact is that we all find something we enjoyed. This is not something to be taken seriously like Trekkies or Jedi-Enthusiasts."

I've said my peace.


Now all you did before was take one piece of my original statement and write a counter to it. That's all that you've been doing. You find something that you can counter in someone's statement and turn it to a debate instead of a discussion. I never wrote a 'challenging statement', you take one part anyone's post and make it seem like a debate because that's what you want and that's what you do: You cut the meat from the steak and serve up the fat. Stop doing that.

And please stop using elongated terms. My thesaurus is currently lost right now. And don't make remarks about my 'lack of seriousness'. I'm trying NOT to be serious about this because there's nothing serious about it. You continuosly want to make people look wrong and stupid instead of discussing it with words like "Postulate" Facts, Parsimony... Dude, that's like spitting in someone's face more than anything else like A Christian spitting on different views of Religion... And religion is just like fantasy if you want to look it. And look at how people argue over it. I don't care about a person's 'religion'... I care about their faith that all. I stay open to their views and hear, I don't put them down with 'facts' because fact is, good and evil are just a matter of perspective. And just like in religion people justify their 'facts' for reasons to slaughter a a civilization. I guess I'm just preaching to the choir, huh?

Now all of my questions above are "IFs" and views of possible outcome, don't go spitting out "POSTULATE". You can't keep putting yourself on a high-horse, when you don't have a horse to ride on.

I used the FFVI reference because back in the day, we didn't share the same views but we didn't argue over what was 'fact' because there wasn't any... It's fantasy, you're supposed to fantasize about it and try to convence anyone who right or wrong.

IMHO the only reason majority of people hate the idea of R=U is because this was their first or second Final Fantasy and their in love with the pretty FMVs. Their not playing for story, their playing to get to the next FMV and then they fall in love with the "Happy Ending" and just don't want to see it that way. That's fine, but there's nothing wrong with R=U. There's no reason it should forbidden, banned, or hated... People are so caught up in visuals they can't even accept when someone sees Para-Magic a different way.

Basically, the 'arguement' is irrelevant. I'm Baptist, your Mormon.