I love you. And, I love K-OS, his music is really catchy and the lyrics are pretty darn good.Originally Posted by El Bandito
I love you. And, I love K-OS, his music is really catchy and the lyrics are pretty darn good.
RAP itself is hardly a legal entity and the blame cannot be put on such an abstract label. The word rap iself is subject to the individual's exposure, and unfortuneatly, that expouser is usually 'ghetto ghetto boom boom'. I know I do not blame all rappers, but my subjective label of rap, at least the enteties that entails, are to blame.
It also seems that the people who are raised into this music are often children, whose minds are usually underdeveloped and filled with adolecence. Like Hard Rock for the generation prior, I would be willing to bet it got popular because of it's tabbo.
Bipper
Oh, so because people like rap they must be stupid. :rolleyes2 I find that highly offensive and there is no proof to that what so ever.
Yeah bipper, where do you get off saying a thing like that? Really it depends on the person, and whether or not they are able to read between the lines and be media literate. My brother grew up listening to rap, the good kind mind you, before all this gangsta rap came into play and he's one of the smartest people I know. Also, I know a lot of people who listen to "gangsta" rap who are around my age, and they're fine. They're not getting knocked up or, or doing drugs or hurting other people. Nor are they any less intelligent.
Way to completely misinterpret what he said.
It's rather easy to misinterpret what someone is saying, especially online.
OUCH! THE FURY!Oh, so because people like rap they must be stupid. :rolleyes2 I find that highly offensive and there is no proof to that what so ever.
Well, I am sorry to slap you with science but it is a proven fact. Srsly though, I am saying it seems to be an outlet for children whose brains are (scientifically) under developed (as everyones brain is, especially under age:24) and their systems are full of adolecense and a surge of hormones that cause them to.... need an outlet of sorts. Taboo or no, violence, sex, etc all have an immediate subliminal appeal to the human brain.
Bipper
You say it's a proven fact, yet you haven't given any evidence to prove your claim. Also, I know from experience (which is alot more than wikipedia can say) about people who listen to rap. And most of them are some of the most intellegent people (with developed minds) who are very open-minded to music in general. I'm sure music does not define someone's intellegence it is just a preference. And as explained several times before, not all rap includes violent, or sexual lyrics/images.
What you call scientifically developed is a farse, unless of course you say thier frontal lobes, notibly the slowest developing part of the brain, are formed yet? Honestly. It is a common excepted fact. You can search the net all your life and you will find this information is commonly supported linkage.You say it's a proven fact, yet you haven't given any evidence to prove your claim. Also, I know from experience (which is alot more than wikipedia can say) about people who listen to rap. And most of them are some of the most intellegent people (with developed minds) who are very open-minded to music in general. I'm sure music does not define someone's intellegence it is just a preference. And as explained several times before, not all rap includes violent, or sexual lyrics/images.
Also, you are not attacking any of my points. I never said that people who listen to rap are doomed to be retarded. I never said that all rap is bad [content wise]; just that which gets the most exposure.
If you want to debate the points; debate what I say. I know of a lot of people whom listened to rap, and in my experience all but one are not on drugs, and 4 of em are smurfing dead from drug deals now. This evidence is circumstantial, and I do not use it. Also, for demanding evidence, I find it funny that you used personal and unbacked evidence yourself.
Now, I am not trying to be a jerk or a dick. I am just rebutting. Plz don't take any critiques or rebuttles personalyl
Bipper
Well yeah, as I mentioned, the rap you think of indeed is a fad. Just like Boy Bands and Disco, the demographic you mentioned are the prime buyers of music so once they start on a new fad, the record companies jump on it and you see the explosion of such a phenomenon like the majority of today's rap.
However, just because this is the modern interpretation, I still don't think it's gone far enough to completely turn the term "rap" into a demeaning term. It's too general a term to be affected. I'm still able to associate bands like Black Flag or The Ramones with the term "punk" without thinking of the whiny, pop-punk bands like Good Charlotte who abused the term during their fad's reign. I believe rap will be able to survive the likes of Fiddy.
What I've been listening to:
By "completely turn the term rap" you are suggesting that its denotation changes to thugishe gangsta rap. This is not what I am suggesting. I am suggesting, based off common observance and interpetation of rap, that it has recieved the connotation of being negative and based on gangsta drama.
bipper
Your common observance is probably very sparse as you've mostly spoken of gansta rap and negative rap. Although it's true that it does exist in the rap community that does not mean it influences it a large deal. Just like with rock and other genres you will have artists who tend to go for a more violent, or suggestive image for the shock factor of it all. I suggest observing rap and the hip hop culture more and you will begin to see the truth.
Well, I'm just saying it's a connotation that you can't put the blame on the entire rap industry for. The public can think what they want, but there are many artists in rap who are tired of the entire "gangsta nigga" culture. The fact the majority of society tend to only focus on the bad can't be helped by artists trying desperately to break such stereotypes.
To sum it up, I'd say this connotation has the same truth as people who think metal is just full of satanists.
What I've been listening to:
I would not think it is a question of what I observe, but the whole ad pun of rap. Culturally, it still finds itself as being gangsta, and it will prolly be that way for a long while. Much like it is supposed that all goths are this group and all hippies do this.... It is just stuck with a common negative connotation. No biggie though. Rock managed to outlive its satanic devil worshiping connotation. Prehapse there is hope for rap yet.Your common observance is probably very sparse as you've mostly spoken of gansta rap and negative rap. Although it's true that it does exist in the rap community that does not mean it influences it a large deal. Just like with rock and other genres you will have artists who tend to go for a more violent, or suggestive image for the shock factor of it all. I suggest observing rap and the hip hop culture more and you will begin to see the truth.
I completely agree with this comparison.To sum it up, I'd say this connotation has the same truth as people who think metal is just full of satanists.
Bipper
Last edited by bipper; 08-23-2006 at 07:34 AM.
rap is it crap?
mind u i said rap isnt real music but the 2 songs i like are coolios gangsters paradise and eminem stan.
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