You can use stuff like "Violent song lyrics" or "subliminal messages" as an excuse to pleas insanity in court. Yes I have seen it done.Originally Posted by lovehurts
It isnt going to save them in court so Id call it a reason not an excuse. A excuse tries to dismiss punishment for your responbilities. You arent really going to get out of the punishment of killing some one even if you say some one else told you to do it , in most cases. That is obvious to anyone.
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You dont know if the song influenced them truthfully or not in any case.....You can use stuff like "Violent song lyrics" or "subliminal messages" as an excuse to pleas insanity in court. Yes I have seen it done.It isnt going to save them in court so Id call it a reason not an excuse. A excuse tries to dismiss punishment for your responbilities. You arent really going to get out of the punishment of killing some one even if you say some one else told you to do it , in most cases. That is obvious to anyone.
SO saying it was an excuse to benefit your personall take on it when in fact it cant be proven any 2 ways is not very respectible.
It could be a lie , it could be true. You really couldnt prove it and if you posted a link trying to prove that it was an lie and an excuse and that the music diddnt really influence him . You would be showing me how much the media and news rerporters who writte any poppular bs that comes to mind and that sounds good... influences your life.
Maybe it is true maybe it isnt that is how I feel.
subliminal messages could you clarify what evidence you could use in court of such nature that couldnt be proven right or wrong of the accusation of its content in court after visitng a tech lab?
Never heard of it and I've taken film/television class too. You can't blame the media for the ignorance of the KKK. They manage to pull people in by making them believe what they say is true. Them using the media, is just another way to get the blame off of themselves.
People listen to the same music as some of the killers. And yet, they have never killed anyone. Why? Because, it was never the music that effected the killers to kill people in the first place.Look at music , some famous murders or killers even blame lyrics in music for there horrors. BLAH BLAH BLAH I could go on.....
Sure, the media influences people, but it doesn't force that person to take certain actions. People do that all on their own.You would be blind or death or dumb any of your choice to not acknowledge a steady influence that the media casts on our youth as well to even an older and more mature public.
Peer pressure is not from the media. It's from a person's friends (or fellow youth) that persuade them to take drugs, or what have you.Peer pressure is a big issue in society and drugs are everywhere in the us as a major on going problem.
Shiny you should get your money back. "Birth of a Nation " is one of the most famous films of its day and any film historian knows it. I dont know what class you took at like 15 or 16 ...judging by your age. But what I am taking is a college class full of adults ranging for 18 to 40......
The reason the film did influence them is because it suggested racism in the film and showed evil amongst the black man and at the time film was ever more inspirationall and at the time the black man had just ended slavery. So began the questioning and arguing of the black mans worth as a free man. The video showed them as lazy and non productive and evil. This lead to people with feelings they already had to explode into stronger feelings due to slavery just ending and due to the fact that some people wanted slvaery back. People feared the black mans freedom and thus the KKK grew.
The president said
"this is history with thunder" or something of that nature.
The movie isn't pushing drugs on kids anyway. What it's doing is appealing to the kids who already do drugs, and in case you haven't noticed, that's alot of people (especially teenagers).
I myself did not start using drugs because I saw someone in a movie do it, nor has anyone else I've spoken to.
Also, your reference to "Birth of a Nation" (a movie which I've never seen, but I assume that it is pro-KKK). If there are a bunch of red-neck ignorant hill-billies who hate anyone who isn't white and they make a movie that makes it big due to controversy or whatever, that's going to attract other red-neck ignorant hill-billies who have not yet heard of this group but have the same values.
EDIT: Azar gets a <3 for mentioning Requime for a Dream.
Forgive me for bringing the film up none of you know [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img] about it....
Nor do you understand why or when it was made and how it influenced or impacted society.
We have a big drug problem now , in todays society all I smurfing saying is that I dont like movies influencing it more. That is smurfign all , is that such a big smurfing deal to handle?
If you tried to quite drugs and saw one film or heard a song about lighting up I bet your addictions would suck you right back into it.
You dont know if the song influenced them truthfully or not in any case.....You can use stuff like "Violent song lyrics" or "subliminal messages" as an excuse to pleas insanity in court. Yes I have seen it done.It isnt going to save them in court so Id call it a reason not an excuse. A excuse tries to dismiss punishment for your responbilities. You arent really going to get out of the punishment of killing some one even if you say some one else told you to do it , in most cases. That is obvious to anyone.
SO saying it was an excuse to benefit your personall take on it when in fact it cant be proven any 2 ways is not very respectible.
It could be a lie , it could be true. You really couldnt prove it and if you posted a link trying to prove that it was an lie and an excuse and that the music diddnt really influence him . You would be showing me how much the media and news rerporters who writte any poppular bs that comes to mind and that sounds good... influences your life.
Maybe it is true maybe it isnt that is how I feel.
subliminal messages could you clarify what evidence you could use in court of such nature that couldnt be proven right or wrong of the accusation of its content in court after visitng a tech lab?For somebody who is asking ME for proof in a link you sure as hell havent been coughing it up yourself.It could be a lie , it could be true. You really couldnt prove it and if you posted a link trying to prove that it was an lie and an excuse and that the music diddnt really influence him . You would be showing me how much the media and news rerporters who writte any poppular bs that comes to mind and that sounds good... influences your life
Owen made this sig. R.I.P.
I dont need to its my opinion....You dont know if the song influenced them truthfully or not in any case.....You can use stuff like "Violent song lyrics" or "subliminal messages" as an excuse to pleas insanity in court. Yes I have seen it done.It isnt going to save them in court so Id call it a reason not an excuse. A excuse tries to dismiss punishment for your responbilities. You arent really going to get out of the punishment of killing some one even if you say some one else told you to do it , in most cases. That is obvious to anyone.
SO saying it was an excuse to benefit your personall take on it when in fact it cant be proven any 2 ways is not very respectible.
It could be a lie , it could be true. You really couldnt prove it and if you posted a link trying to prove that it was an lie and an excuse and that the music diddnt really influence him . You would be showing me how much the media and news rerporters who writte any poppular bs that comes to mind and that sounds good... influences your life.
Maybe it is true maybe it isnt that is how I feel.
subliminal messages could you clarify what evidence you could use in court of such nature that couldnt be proven right or wrong of the accusation of its content in court after visitng a tech lab?For somebody who is asking ME for proof in a link you sure as hell havent been coughing it up yourself.It could be a lie , it could be true. You really couldnt prove it and if you posted a link trying to prove that it was an lie and an excuse and that the music diddnt really influence him . You would be showing me how much the media and news rerporters who writte any poppular bs that comes to mind and that sounds good... influences your life
You say that it is an excuse and you seem to try to pass it off as fact no matter what, or maybe thats just how I see it. Regardless Ive been only stating my opinion the whole time except for the bit I posted about the film "birth of a nation"
Easy buddy, I wasn't attacking you or anything.
Forgive me for bringing the film up none of you know [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img] about it....
Nor do you understand why or when it was made and how it influenced or impacted society.
We have a big drug problem now , in todays society all I smurfing saying is that I dont like movies influencing it more. That is smurfign all , is that such a big smurfing deal to handle?
If you tried to quite drugs and saw one film or heard a song about lighting up I bet your addictions would suck you right back into it.
All I'm saying is the movie isn't influencing anyone. It's actually targeting the people who already do the drugs.
Ok there you go. And what I had stated earlier about people using these supposed "Violent Lyrics" or otherwise overrall "Suggestive" as an excuse to plead insane or to get an easy way out is my opinion as well.I dont need to its my opinion....
Owen made this sig. R.I.P.
Well, there you go. It was never the movie that made them feel angry and racists towards others. But, it was the feelings they already had. People always point them blame at something (especially the media), because they don't want to take responsibility for their actions. Wait, I'm confused... The topic is how movies influence people, right? I feel like I'm going off-topic here.
P.S. That Birth of a Nation movie looks really scary. I could never watch something like that.
Well, there you go. It was never the movie that made them feel angry and racists towards others. But, it was the feelings they already had. People always point them blame at something (especially the media), because they don't want to take responsibility for their actions. Wait, I'm confused... The topic is how movies influence people, right? I feel like I'm going off-topic here.
P.S. That Birth of a Nation movie looks really scary. I could never watch something like that.
I just smurfed myself over!!!
*walks away in defeat*
I may have lost but Im trying to walk away with self respect.
Hides the [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img] on his leg....
Ok I loose, that was fun...later....
I still hate the preview I just saw it again and I still hate it.
Last edited by lovehurts; 08-31-2006 at 02:08 AM.
I really, really wish people would stop thinking humans would so sheepish as to emulate anything we would see on TV, Movies, Video Games, etc. It's getting ridiculous. Sometimes I think people who proclaim this just want to put themselves on some pedestal by thinking they have to preach to people.
Having said that, drugs has been on TV and movies for <I>years</I> and it'll never change. I'm actually glad as shielding people from "negative" stuff (from a subjective viewpoint) like that is actually healthy, and nothing is gained from entertainment featuring roses, rainbows and candy all of the time.
lol?
*stares out window at a sea of wiggers*
Maybe some humans?
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