Animals are people too! ...?

[The Devil Man]

Ergggghhhh...

This seems to be a heated topic, but yeah!

I agree with anyone who agrees with animal testing (cos we need it) and for food, but nothing else.

I've been to India a couple of times. You don't wanna know how they treat some animals there I've seen poor cows have the crap kicked out of them while they graze peacefully in a field, just for fun. Horrible.

[Madame Adequate]

@ Rye: Some cruelty is unavoidable, most notably in medical testing circles, but cruelty of animals in private homes, on farms, for cosmetic testing, is abhorrent and the laws are not nearly strict enough.

Agreed, Mr. MILF. When it comes to serious medical testing, some cruelty is inevitable, like you said. I would be a fool to say that serious medical animal testing, testing that could help cure AIDs and cancer and other terrible things, should be abolished, and I think that anyone that says it should be completely abolished is not thinking realistically. I think the benefit outweighs that, and like I said, there are some alternatives that I remember reading a while ago that could be considered in a few cases. But beyond that, cosmetic testing and cruelty of animals is disgusting and the laws have come a long way, but still have a lot of improving to do, especially in certain areas.

Although we have to be careful when it comes to animal testing - it's useful for establishing principles and rules, not necessarily for direct testing. Many drugs useful to Humans are fatal to animals, and vice-versa. Had penecillin been tested on rats, we might not be using it today, because it kills them pretty sharpish.

[Anaisa]

Animals should not be used to test products that are for human use. We have criminals that could be used for that purpose. People who are a detriment to society could then be of some use. An they will actually be getting punished for their crimes, whilst benefitting the rest of society. Unlike now, where they commit some horrific crime, we put them in prison, an spend money on feeding the scumbags, an get nothing in return. Their a total waste of money. If we were housing them, feeding them, an experimenting on them, then are money would not be wasted. An it's obviously far better to experiment products for humans, on humans. A puppy doesn't deserve to suffer more than some sadistic serial killer. The worst punishment we choose to inflict on criminals of that nature, is better than what humans inflict upon animals everyday.

[NorthernChaosGod]

Animals have the rights expressly given to them by humans as a dominant species. Their fate is our will, as thus it should be.

[Reine]

I have no problem with animal testing, as long as there is no sick needless cruelty going on.

[Zeldy]

I know testing on Animals is bad and wrong, blah blah, but at the end of the day, isnt it better to test on animals than Human beings? Its cruel, but it has to be done. I love Animals, and I understand how Animals are people too, but you have to be realistic.

[Sunny Day Suicide]

This is like segragation for deers.

[Trance_Kuja]

Nothing in the universe has rights, we just give ourselves rights to get out of things. Who made up rights...humans, so there is your answer not even humans have rights, someone just made them up and now everyone expects them.

[bipper]

Rights may be man made, but they sure do exist. They are an ideal existing within a social entity. Humans made them, humans grant them. Why did humans grant us rights? Does that critirium fit why animals should have rights? Therrin lies your logical answer.

[Araciel]

Animals should not be used to test products that are for human use. We have criminals that could be used for that purpose. People who are a detriment to society could then be of some use. An they will actually be getting punished for their crimes, whilst benefitting the rest of society. Unlike now, where they commit some horrific crime, we put them in prison, an spend money on feeding the scumbags, an get nothing in return. Their a total waste of money. If we were housing them, feeding them, an experimenting on them, then are money would not be wasted. An it's obviously far better to experiment products for humans, on humans. A puppy doesn't deserve to suffer more than some sadistic serial killer. The worst punishment we choose to inflict on criminals of that nature, is better than what humans inflict upon animals everyday.

this opens up a whole different agrument...