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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisfffan View Post
    This thread has been going for some time now and I think the top 3 not in any order are Sephiroth, Kefka and Kuja nobody’s going to argue about that are they???
    The point is, though, we're all gonna keep arguing about which of the three are THE BEST. That's what we're like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisfffan View Post
    This thread has been going for some time now and I think the top 3 not in any order are Sephiroth, Kefka and Kuja nobody’s going to argue about that are they???
    I am. Im a Rufus man "fo lyf!"

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    Rufus was a side villain he wasn’t the main bad guy so I don’t think he can be compared to the others

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forsaken Lover View Post
    Not even remotely true. Not by a long shot. The Lifestream is a collection of Spirit Energy. Which is different from souls because every “soul” joins it. That is what Sephiroth can control. Individual souls in other people he showed absolutely no power over.
    What i understanded, was that people were infected by Jenova, and then the body tryed to destroy it, creating Geostigma in the process. The soul was corrupted by Jenova and than the person die. When the soul return to the Lifestream, the soul is already corrupted. Than another corrupted soul join in, and another, and another, etc. In the end(after two years) this many corrupted souls formed the corrupted Lifestream.
    Sephiroth needed two years to do it, because he could only corrupt each soul one by one. But in the end of the movie he don't have this limitation anymore(but he can corrupt just one soul if he want).

    Oh no! DARK CLOUDS!! Are the clouds spitting lightning that destroys cities? No? Well, are they causing torrential raint hat will drown everything in existence? No? Well....they look good. Which is what Sephiroth is all about; looks.
    This is a joke right? You understanded that they really aren't dark clouds right? They are corrupted Lifestream. The same corrupted Lifestream that Sephiroth would use to destroy all life in the world, and transform the planet in a "space ship" to travel the universe.
    In the begin of the fight, you can see the "clouds" descending(like "tentacles"). What do you think that it would do? Destroy the planet, of course!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisfffan View Post
    This thread has been going for some time now and I think the top 3 not in any order are Sephiroth, Kefka and Kuja nobody’s going to argue about that are they???
    It'll just keep going like that. For Every valid reason someone has for Kefka or Kuja being the best bad guy in the VIDEO GAME, someone will prolly -always- have a reason why Sephiroth could kill them, be it in the video game or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisfffan View Post
    Rufus was a side villain he wasn’t the main bad guy so I don’t think he can be compared to the others
    Yes he can. Rufus Pwns all.

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    What i understanded, was that people were infected by Jenova, and then the body tryed to destroy it, creating Geostigma in the process. The soul was corrupted by Jenova and than the person die. When the soul return to the Lifestream, the soul is already corrupted. Than another corrupted soul join in, and another, and another, etc. In the end(after two years) this many corrupted souls formed the corrupted Lifestream.
    Sephiroth needed two years to do it, because he could only corrupt each soul one by one. But in the end of the movie he don't have this limitation anymore(but he can corrupt just one soul if he want).
    But that’s different. Jenova cells infect the Lifestream that is in our body. Every person in the FFVII world has some tiny bit of the Lifestream in their body and they get Geostigma when that Lifestream in their body tries to fight off the foreign Jenova cells. So, Jenova cells do not directly infect a person’s soul because the soul of a person in the FFVII world is not like a soul of a person in another game or universe.

    This is a joke right? You understanded that they really aren't dark clouds right? They are corrupted Lifestream. The same corrupted Lifestream that Sephiroth would use to destroy all life in the world, and transform the planet in a "space ship" to travel the universe.
    Okay? So it’s corrupted Lifestream. What does it do? Absolutely nothing. What it COULD do is somewhat impressive but as it did nothing, it is nothing but a backdrop in the fight.

    n the begin of the fight, you can see the "clouds" descending(like "tentacles"). What do you think that it would do? Destroy the planet, of course!
    Would’ve, should’ve, could’ve. Didn’t. Villains boast. For all we know his plans would have fallen apart miserably and everything would die pointlessly. What actual evidence is there to support what he said was true?

    Honestly. He had goals...didn’t come close to achieving them or doing half of what Kuja and Kefka did. For being a “god” in AC, he did nothing and yes, he may have been holding back but he still was defeated. So was Kefka and Kuja but they needed the entire party to defeat them and Kuja actually “killed” the party before losing. It took Cloud and his flashy swords to beat “god” Sephiroth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forsaken Lover View Post
    Okay? So it’s corrupted Lifestream. What does it do? Absolutely nothing. What it COULD do is somewhat impressive but as it did nothing, it is nothing but a backdrop in the fight.
    Would’ve, should’ve, could’ve. Didn’t. Villains boast. For all we know his plans would have fallen apart miserably and everything would die pointlessly. What actual evidence is there to support what he said was true?
    To understand Sephiroth's true power in AC, you have to understand what is the Lifestream. It is the source of all magic and life in the FFVII universe. Sephiroth could corrupt AND controll it. If he isn't a god, i don't know what he is.
    And the Lifestream have a great power of destruction(like was showed to us, in "On a Way to a Smile"). The corrupted Lifestream is more powerfull than the pure one, meaning that he(Sephiroth) can use it to destroy an entire planet if he want.

    Honestly. He had goals...didn’t come close to achieving them or doing half of what Kuja and Kefka did. For being a “god” in AC, he did nothing and yes, he may have been holding back but he still was defeated. So was Kefka and Kuja but they needed the entire party to defeat them and Kuja actually “killed” the party before losing. It took Cloud and his flashy swords to beat “god” Sephiroth.
    Remove the "" of the word "god". He was litterally a god in AC, there is no discussion about it. The Reunion Files say that he is the most powerfull being in the FFVII universe(including beings like Omega Weapon).
    He was only deffeated because he decided to play with Cloud. For example, let's say that in the final battle of FFVI, Kefka decided to have a physical fight(without using any magic) against one of the heros, and in this fight he was deffeated. That means that he isn't a god? Of course not! That only means that he didn't use all his powers, and losed because of this. This is exactly what happened with Sephiroth in AC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Crystal View Post
    He was only deffeated because he decided to play with Cloud. For example, let's say that in the final battle of FFVI, Kefka decided to have a physical fight(without using any magic) against one of the heros, and in this fight he was deffeated. That means that he isn't a god? Of course not! That only means that he didn't use all his powers, and losed because of this. This is exactly what happened with Sephiroth in AC.
    Well that means he's just stupid. What kind of villain decides to play with the main hero, and then floats in the air looking shocked while the hero slices him up with some new super move?

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    in the begin of the fight, you can see the "clouds" descending(like "tentacles"). What do you think that it would do? Destroy the planet, of course!
    I always assumed they added in the Clouds for looks . None of this stuff is mentioned in the movie, therefore in my opinion it takes away from the credit, its just stuff added in after to try and make things sound cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YTDN View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by The Crystal View Post
    He was only deffeated because he decided to play with Cloud. For example, let's say that in the final battle of FFVI, Kefka decided to have a physical fight(without using any magic) against one of the heros, and in this fight he was deffeated. That means that he isn't a god? Of course not! That only means that he didn't use all his powers, and losed because of this. This is exactly what happened with Sephiroth in AC.
    Well that means he's just stupid. What kind of villain decides to play with the main hero, and then floats in the air looking shocked while the hero slices him up with some new super move?
    I agree. In AC his arrogance is so great, that he become stupid. But we have to remember that he is not really stupid, he is only that way with Cloud. Sephiroth hate Cloud so much, that instead of just killing him(like he do with any other person), he prefer to try to humiliate Cloud, and because of this, end giving an opening to Cloud attack and kill him.
    Sephiroth's hate for Cloud, blind him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboco
    I always assumed they added in the Clouds for looks . None of this stuff is mentioned in the movie, therefore in my opinion it takes away from the credit, its just stuff added in after to try and make things sound cool.
    MANY things aren't mentioned in the movie, this is why SE created the Reunion Files.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboco
    I always assumed they added in the Clouds for looks . None of this stuff is mentioned in the movie, therefore in my opinion it takes away from the credit, its just stuff added in after to try and make things sound cool.
    MANY things aren't mentioned in the movie, this is why SE created the Reunion Files.[/QUOTE]

    And this is why there will be MANY more FFVII related things, SE makes money, You people get more out of game reasons to like the game. I say, until they remake FFVII and add every bit they added after the game was made, every fact should be from gameplay, not what SE keeps adding for flash and to make some people "ohh" and "Ahh"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avarice-ness View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboco
    I always assumed they added in the Clouds for looks . None of this stuff is mentioned in the movie, therefore in my opinion it takes away from the credit, its just stuff added in after to try and make things sound cool.
    MANY things aren't mentioned in the movie, this is why SE created the Reunion Files.
    And this is why there will be MANY more FFVII related things, SE makes money, You people get more out of game reasons to like the game. I say, until they remake FFVII and add every bit they added after the game was made, every fact should be from gameplay, not what SE keeps adding for flash and to make some people "ohh" and "Ahh"
    My, isn't that an arbitrary standard. In that case, I say we should only count what I saw when I played on a Tuesday to be fact.

    SE made it, gave it their stamp of approval and shipped it out. That makes it official, and if it has the FF7 stamp, it's FF7 legal, unless stated otherwise or retconned.

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    Well, Kuja once going into Trance was a demi-god and he'd destroy AC Sephiroth. As would the following:

    1. Hulk Hogan
    2. Albedo
    3. Any of the Testaments
    4. KOS-MOS
    5. Id
    6. Kain (LoK)
    7. Raziel (LoK)
    8. Lavos
    9. Ness
    10. Emperor Palpatine of the Star Wars Expanded Universe.

    And the list goes on and on.....he's really weak all in all for becoming a god.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forsaken Lover View Post
    Well, Kuja once going into Trance was a demi-god and he'd destroy AC Sephiroth. As would the following:

    1. Hulk Hogan
    2. Albedo
    3. Any of the Testaments
    4. KOS-MOS
    5. Id
    6. Kain (LoK)
    7. Raziel (LoK)
    8. Lavos
    9. Ness
    10. Emperor Palpatine of the Star Wars Expanded Universe.

    And the list goes on and on.....he's really weak all in all for becoming a god.
    I'm following you on all of that except for Ness.
    And to be frank, your average Jedi in the EU (depending on the wank level of the particular story) could kill Sephiroth. Actually, your Average Jedi could do it anyways. Lightsabers and precognition, not to mention the force tend to give one an edge.

    And Trance Kuja was a god in his own right. What's this Demi nonsense?

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