I don’t know about Kefka but with Kuja I never really hated him or the bad guy in X or 8 but with 7 I really wanted to kill Sephiroth more then completing the game, that’s what made him a great villain for me.
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I don’t know about Kefka but with Kuja I never really hated him or the bad guy in X or 8 but with 7 I really wanted to kill Sephiroth more then completing the game, that’s what made him a great villain for me.
Forgive the bluntness, but smeg your opinion. Evidence is what matters. So, thus, to your statement of surface destroying, I ask A: Over how long a time, and B: To what level destruction, and C: Where's your proof?Originally Posted by The Crystal
I agree. And what is funny, is that we can use the same argument with Sephiroth. Sephiroth begun the process of destroying the planet in the end of AC, but he would never destroy the planet before making Cloud suffer. Because he cannot watch Cloud's dead body suffer.
In my opinion, both Kefka and Sephiroth(in their most powerfull forms) can destroy the surface of a planet.
Well, you'd have to define "destroying the surface of the Earth". Kefka turned two or three continents into about 20. The water isn't blue anymore. The ground is all dirt and dead plants, and you don't see grass growing anywhere.
However, it really doesn't matter which is more powerful because power doesn't make you evil. By the end of FF6, I can tell you that my team was powerful enough to go around the world and kill every human on the planet. But we're not villains, so we don't do that.
Look at President Shinra. He's rather villainous, but he certainly isn't that powerful.
So instead of comparing who would win in a fight, you should be comparing which of the two is a better villain.
A) We don't know, because Cloud deffeated him, and Aerith destroyed his will(with her holly rain) before he could end the process.
B) He would at least kill all life in the planet, and transform the planet in a "space ship" to travell the cosmos. This is what he said.
C) "On a Way to a Smile" show to us that the pure Lifestream have a great power of destruction(hell, just look at what the Junon Mako(pure Lifestream) Cannon can do in the game). And remember that all magic power of destruction(Materias) is pure Lifestream condensed.
The corrupted Lifestream was more powerfull than the pure one.
The Lifestream is like the Statues of FFVI. All magic and life exist because of it. Who have controll over it, is a god. Sephiroth has controll over it in AC, so, he is a god. Is very simple.
A) We don't know, because Cloud deffeated him, and Aerith destroyed his will(with her holly rain) before he could end the process.
B) He would at least kill all life in the planet, and transform the planet in a "space ship" to travell the cosmos.
C) "On a Way to a Smile" show to us that the pure Lifestream have a great power of destruction(hell, just look at what the Junon Mako(pure Lifestream) Cannon can do in the game). And remember that all magic power of destruction(Materias) is pure Lifestream condensed.
The corrupted Lifestream was more powerfull than the pure one.
The Lifestream is like the Statues of FFVI. All magic and life exist because of it. Who have controll over it, is a god. Sephiroth has controll over it in AC, so, he is a god. Is very simple.
Well, much of that isn't too hard to accomplish, and I do recall some lines about tossing the statues around screwing up the planet below, but it's been awhile since my last playthrough of Six. It's also questionable whether the wasting is his direct fault, or a side affect of him attempting to horde magic. Still, people and plants are alive all over the planet, and it seems to restore itself nigh instantly after his death, so it's questionable how devastating his effects actually are.
No, but part of the thread swerved off into how powerful each villain might be. I agree that villainy and power are not always synonymous, but having power helps. For example. Imagine if Pres Shinra was just a man in a hut. Wouldn't be very villainous, would he?However, it really doesn't matter which is more powerful because power doesn't make you evil. By the end of FF6, I can tell you that my team was powerful enough to go around the world and kill every human on the planet. But we're not villains, so we don't do that.
Look at President Shinra. He's rather villainous, but he certainly isn't that powerful.
And that's so horribly subjective that it's almost not worth comparing.So instead of comparing who would win in a fight, you should be comparing which of the two is a better villain.
To begin with, I wasn't just referring to Sephypoo. Secondly, Aerith's rain does not seem to have had much, if anything to do with his will dispersing, as it had jack for effect on Kadaj (her voice, on the other hand...). Not to mention, without an established time frame, the wattage of the event, and thus the power, can't be measured.
Which tells us nothing about methodology. For as much info as you provide, he could simply be setting off a nuke someone else built. Fortunately, we do know more than what you provided, and from that knowledge, Sephy's plan seems to have been similar to The IIfa tree's, in that he planned on stopping new life by converting corrupted life into things he could control.B) He would at least kill all life in the planet, and transform the planet in a "space ship" to travell the cosmos.
Actually, Materia is crystalized knowledge, which allows one to manipulate the lifestream. Small distinction. And source on the Corrupted outpowering the normal?C) "On a Way to a Smile" show to us that the pure Lifestream have a great power of destruction(hell, just look at what the Junon Mako(pure Lifestream) Cannon can do in the game). And remember that all magic power of destruction(Materias) is pure Lifestream condensed.
The corrupted Lifestream was more powerfull than the pure one.
Except he does not control all of it, same as Kefka did not control all magic in FF6. Not all gods are created equal. Thor could beat the crap out of Ares, and such.The Lifestream is like the Statues of FFVI. All magic and life exist because of it. Who have controll over it, is a god. Sephiroth has controll over it in AC, so, he is a god. Is very simple.
Aerith's Great Gospel is a cure spell. She can cure people of injuries, Geostigma, etc. The SHM are made of Lifestream corrupted by Sephiroth's will. During the movie, is showed to us that Aerith has much more controll over the Lifestream than during the game(she was more powerfull), and with this power, she destroyed Sephiroth's will over the Lifestream(making the SHM become pure Lifestream again, and disapear). That don't have anything to do with her voice.
Yeah, and "these" "things he could control" is the source of all power in the FFVII universe.Which tells us nothing about methodology. For as much info as you provide, he could simply be setting off a nuke someone else built. Fortunately, we do know more than what you provided, and from that knowledge, Sephy's plan seems to have been similar to The IIfa tree's, in that he planned on stopping new life by converting corrupted life into things he could control.
Normal Lifestream is very powerfull, as a force of destruction and as a power that can cure others(like Aerith did in the movie). But the corrupted Lifestream was not affected by it, was the contrary, the corrupted one was affecting the pure one(corrupting it). The truth is that the corrupted Lifestream by itself, is not really more powerfull than the pure one, but with Sephiroth's will controlling it, it was more powerfull.Actually, Materia is crystalized knowledge, which allows one to manipulate the lifestream. Small distinction. And source on the Corrupted outpowering the normal?
After Cloud deffeated Sephiroth his will was more weak, and then Aerith could use her Great Gospel to destroy the rest of it.
But Sephiroth can controll all the magic if he want, but Kefka can't.Except he does not control all of it, same as Kefka did not control all magic in FF6. Not all gods are created equal. Thor could beat the crap out of Ares, and such.
For example, someone attack Kefka with a magic that is not related to the statues. What he can do? Deffend himself. Now someone attack Sephiroth with magic(created by the Lifestream, in FFVII world). What he can do? He can corrupt the Lifestream, and controll the magic that is used against him. If Sephiroth wasn't deffeated in the end of AC, he would have corrupted all the Lifestream without any problem, because the power of his will and his corrupted Lifestream was more powerfull than the pure one.
Little scenario that help to understand what i'm saying:
Kefka: You cannot kill me, because i controll all magic in the world!
*Someone attack Kefka with a magic spell not related with the Godesses*
Kefka: Crap, i don't have controll over your magic!
Sephiroth: You cannot kill me, because i controll all magic in the world.
*Someone use a Materia to manipulate the pure Lifestream, creating magic, and attacking Sephiroth with it*
Sephiroth: Crap, i don't have controll over your magic... yet.
*Someone use a Materia to manipulate the Lifestream, creating magic, and attacking Sephiroth with it... But nothing happens*
Guy: Where is my magic?! Why nothing happened?!
Sephiroth: Because the part of the Lifestream that you was using to create magic, is already corrupted by me. Your magic now, is my magic.
Guy: Oh crap!
*Guy die*
It's been said before, but your opinion does not make Sephy a great villain.
Also, no offense, but it doesn't look like anybody is even listening to you anymore. Ryushikaze and The Crystal are basically taking over this thread.
On topic:
@ Crystal about Sephy being able to control people's magic; There is no proof that Sephy can do that. These things you say are probably assumed by the things you see he has done in FFVII and AC. One could also say Sephy CAN destroy the Solar System with Super Nova, but we all know it was just a cool looking attack the Square made for Sephy, and nothing more.
Sephiroth: You cannot kill me, because i controll all magic in the world.
*Someone use a Materia to manipulate the pure Lifestream, creating magic, and attacking Sephiroth with it*
Sephiroth: Crap, i don't have controll over your magic... yet.
*Someone use a Materia to manipulate the Lifestream, creating magic, and attacking Sephiroth with it... But nothing happens*
Guy: Where is my magic?! Why nothing happened?!
Sephiroth: Because the part of the Lifestream that you was using to create magic, is already corrupted by me. Your magic now, is my magic.
Guy: Oh crap!
*Guy die*
That’s all quite fascinating. I do understand that power is not everything but again, his evilness pales totally in comparison to Kuja and Kefka’s. He’s had 2 resurrections now and still not even at half of what they did with one.
So, let’s talk in terms of power. Kuja did not control the source of all life. He controlled some souls in one single place and used it with his own anger to become more powerful than Sephiroth could dream. Kefka used the Goddess Statues and leisurely wiped out population centers when he felt like it. So, those two outweigh “dark clouds.”
Now, onto my original list.
1. Hulk Hogan-
Simple. The ultimate combo. Hulk Up. Finger point. 3 punches. Big Boot. Leg Drop. It’s over.
2. Albedo-
Cutting off his head can’t kill him. Reducing him to particles can’t kill him.
3. Any of the Testaments-
The Testaments control space-time. They are beyond any and all laws of physics in the known universe and impervious to damage or being killed unless the Testament or their creator in fact wills it so.
4. KOS-MOS-
Has the power to confront and battle with God as seen in a possible future.The battle resulted in universal destruction.
5. Id-
Wields the power of the god of Xenogears and was destroying entire countries.
6. Kain (LoK)-
TK. Soul Reaver shot. Over.
7. Raziel (LoK)-
TK. Devour soul. Over.
8. Lavos-
Lavos was everything Sephiroth wanted to be....
9. Ness-
Swings for the fences, batting 1000 on Seph’s head. Or, more easily, makes his head explode.
10. Emperor Palpatine of the Star Wars Expanded Universe.-
Force Storm. Over.
I don't want to be annoying, but Chrisfffan is just saying his opinion about Sephiroth, and what is a good villain to him. He is on-topic so, what is the problem?
Yeah, there is no prove that he can do that. But the Super Nova don't make any sense, because he destroy the Solar System many times, and nothing happens to you.On topic:
@ Crystal about Sephy being able to control people's magic; There is no proof that Sephy can do that. These things you say are probably assumed by the things you see he has done in FFVII and AC. One could also say Sephy CAN destroy the Solar System with Super Nova, but we all know it was just a cool looking attack the Square made for Sephy, and nothing more.
But the Lifestream is the source of all the magic in the world. Sephiroth can controll it, Sephiroth can controll magic. This make sense(contrary of Super Nova, that don't).
But what if someone attacked Sephy with magic not from the Lifestream? You are trying to say that Sephy is stronger by showing the scenario of non-Goddess related magic killing Kefka, but you are being unfair by not having non-Lifestream related magic attacking Sephy.Aerith's Great Gospel is a cure spell. She can cure people of injuries, Geostigma, etc. The SHM are made of Lifestream corrupted by Sephiroth's will. During the movie, is showed to us that Aerith has much more controll over the Lifestream than during the game(she was more powerfull), and with this power, she destroyed Sephiroth's will over the Lifestream(making the SHM become pure Lifestream again, and disapear). That don't have anything to do with her voice.
Yeah, and "these" "things he could control" is the source of all power in the FFVII universe.Which tells us nothing about methodology. For as much info as you provide, he could simply be setting off a nuke someone else built. Fortunately, we do know more than what you provided, and from that knowledge, Sephy's plan seems to have been similar to The IIfa tree's, in that he planned on stopping new life by converting corrupted life into things he could control.
Normal Lifestream is very powerfull, as a force of destruction and as a power that can cure others(like Aerith did in the movie). But the corrupted Lifestream was not affected by it, was the contrary, the corrupted one was affecting the pure one(corrupting it). The truth is that the corrupted Lifestream by itself, is not really more powerfull than the pure one, but with Sephiroth's will controlling it, it was more powerfull.Actually, Materia is crystalized knowledge, which allows one to manipulate the lifestream. Small distinction. And source on the Corrupted outpowering the normal?
After Cloud deffeated Sephiroth his will was more weak, and then Aerith could use her Great Gospel to destroy the rest of it.
But Sephiroth can controll all the magic if he want, but Kefka can't.Except he does not control all of it, same as Kefka did not control all magic in FF6. Not all gods are created equal. Thor could beat the crap out of Ares, and such.
For example, someone attack Kefka with a magic that is not related to the statues. What he can do? Deffend himself. Now someone attack Sephiroth with magic(created by the Lifestream, in FFVII world). What he can do? He can corrupt the Lifestream, and controll the magic that is used against him. If Sephiroth wasn't deffeated in the end of AC, he would have corrupted all the Lifestream without any problem, because the power of his will and his corrupted Lifestream was more powerfull than the pure one.
Little scenario that help to understand what i'm saying:
Kefka: You cannot kill me, because i controll all magic in the world!
*Someone attack Kefka with a magic spell not related with the Godesses*
Kefka: Crap, i don't have controll over your magic!
Sephiroth: You cannot kill me, because i controll all magic in the world.
*Someone use a Materia to manipulate the pure Lifestream, creating magic, and attacking Sephiroth with it*
Sephiroth: Crap, i don't have controll over your magic... yet.
*Someone use a Materia to manipulate the Lifestream, creating magic, and attacking Sephiroth with it... But nothing happens*
Guy: Where is my magic?! Why nothing happened?!
Sephiroth: Because the part of the Lifestream that you was using to create magic, is already corrupted by me. Your magic now, is my magic.
Guy: Oh crap!
*Guy die*
NO.is Sephiroth the best bad guy in the series?
He is. Very original.
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But in FFVI universe, exist some non-Goddess related magic. In FFVII don't. All magic in FFVII exist because of the Lifestream, NOTHING is not related to it. Meaning that in his world, Sephiroth is more powerfull and a more big threat, than Kefka is in his world.
Name non-Godess related magic in the FFVI world. Even the Espers and Magicite are related to the Goddess'.
But in FFVI universe, exist some non-Goddess related magic. In FFVII don't. All magic in FFVII exist because of the Lifestream, NOTHING is not related to it. Meaning that in his world, Sephiroth is more powerfull and a more big threat, than Kefka is in his world.
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