is Sephiroth the best bad guy in the series?

[YTDN]

True, true, Kuja destroys that planet like no other. Plus, know that I think about it...Kuja is quite powerful, but I'm not taking higher forms into account, which means I'm not including Trance as well. What can Kuja do to Terra without Trance. I'm not saying he's not powerful, but his average power should be taken into questioning. His dragon-riding abilities are demonstrated during the game, but his non-trance magic isn't displayed. If so, remind me.

When Brahne decides to kill Kuja, he shows his power by coming out of Bahamut's attack (which successfully destroys the entirety of Brahne's fleet later) unscathed except for a cut on his head.

But really, Kuja isn't the type to fight face to face with someone. Instead he manipulates entire kingdoms into doing his dirty work for him. And he has power over the Mist, the Invincible, and the Black Mages.

[PuPu]

MasterX, in Kefka's "average" form, befire he got the power of the statues, he was able to kill 8 espers at once during the scene where he burned down Thamasa.

Since Sephy's "average" form was before he got released from the Northern Crater, (Remember guys, the "real" Sephiroth is the one sealed in the Northern Crater) he was able to control Cloud and kill the Midgar Zolom easily, but it showed nothing beyond that.

Controlling a guy and killing a giant snake vs. killing 8 extremely powerful magical beasts.... yeah.

[Avarice-ness]

MasterX, in Kefka's "average" form, befire he got the power of the statues, he was able to kill 8 espers at once during the scene where he burned down Thamasa.

Since Sephy's "average" form was before he got released from the Northern Crater, (Remember guys, the "real" Sephiroth is the one sealed in the Northern Crater) he was able to control Cloud and kill the Midgar Zolom easily, but it showed nothing beyond that.

Controlling a guy and killing a giant snake vs. killing 8 extremely powerful magical beasts.... yeah.

Hey yeah I totally forgot about that. Good fact right there!

[The Crystal]

MasterX, in Kefka's "average" form, befire he got the power of the statues, he was able to kill 8 espers at once during the scene where he burned down Thamasa.

Since Sephy's "average" form was before he got released from the Northern Crater, (Remember guys, the "real" Sephiroth is the one sealed in the Northern Crater) he was able to control Cloud and kill the Midgar Zolom easily, but it showed nothing beyond that.

Controlling a guy and killing a giant snake vs. killing 8 extremely powerful magical beasts.... yeah.

You forgot to mention that he controlled many guys(black cape guys) killed everyone in Shinra building(executives, soldiers, robots, 3rd class SOLDIERs, etc), killed Aerith, he can become intangible(like a ghost), and can create illusions.

And didn't Kefka absorb the power of the Espers in "Esper Land"(or something like that), before he absorbed the power of the Godesses?

[Avarice-ness]

MasterX, in Kefka's "average" form, befire he got the power of the statues, he was able to kill 8 espers at once during the scene where he burned down Thamasa.

Since Sephy's "average" form was before he got released from the Northern Crater, (Remember guys, the "real" Sephiroth is the one sealed in the Northern Crater) he was able to control Cloud and kill the Midgar Zolom easily, but it showed nothing beyond that.

Controlling a guy and killing a giant snake vs. killing 8 extremely powerful magical beasts.... yeah.

You forgot to mention that he controlled many guys(black cape guys) killed everyone in Shinra building(executives, soldiers, robots, 3rd class SOLDIERs, etc), killed Aerith, he can become intangible(like a ghost), and can create illusions.

And didn't Kefka absorb the power of the Espers in "Esper Land"(or something like that), before he absorbed the power of the Godesses?

I thought Sephiroth could only control the other failed experiments (AKA black-caped Men) because he was in tune with Jenova.

And now I'm back. "Esper Land" Jesus Christ.. Thamasa was a normal little town. This is -BEFORE- the whole Goddess thing, He had no powers from the Goddess' at this point. He killed the espers on his 'weaker' power level.

[Goldenboko]

And didn't Kefka absorb the power of the Espers in "Esper Land"(or something like that), before he absorbed the power of the Godesses?

That post made it clear you don't think/know much of FFVI. Kefka was infused with esper magic, but taking that away from him is like taking away Sephiroth's sword, materia, and followers.

[The Crystal]

I thought Sephiroth could only control the other failed experiments (AKA black-caped Men) because he was in tune with Jenova.

And you are almost correct. The only thing that is wrong in your post, is that they aren't failed experiments. Hojo "created" them to do exactly what they are doing(Reunion), so, they are sucessful experiments.

And now I'm back. "Esper Land" Jesus Christ.. Thamasa was a normal little town. This is -BEFORE- the whole Goddess thing, He had no powers from the Goddess' at this point. He killed the espers on his 'weaker' power level.

That post made it clear you don't think/know much of FFVI. Kefka was infused with esper magic, but taking that away from him is like taking away Sephiroth's sword, materia, and followers.

I didn't play FFVI. What i heard is that before Kefka absorbed the power of the statues, he manipulated Terra to open the gate/portal to "Esper Land"(or Thamasa or whatever), killed the Espers and absorbed their powers, becoming even more powerful than before. I only want to know if this is true, and even if i will play the game in the future, i like to read spoilers.

[Rocket Edge]

No, looks are a big part of why people like villains more. I know Sephy is a great villain, but it's just that many people only or mainly like him because he looks cool. Looks are what made Sephy popular, but it doesn't make him a great villain. It's like saying a person is a great boyfriend/girlfriend because he/she looks good (though looks are what people might go for).

First of all i didn't say Sephy was my favourite, and also i was just stating about his looks in reply to that comment. Of course there has to be more depth to the character, and Sephy had it personified. The man was crazy, but in an exciting way. I could harp on about him for longer, but you get my point.

Original? They gave him a black coat, long silver hair, and a big ass sword. That's not very original.

Tell me, who looked like Sephiroth before the release of VII?

[Avarice-ness]

I thought Sephiroth could only control the other failed experiments (AKA black-caped Men) because he was in tune with Jenova.

And you are almost correct. The only thing that is wrong in your post, is that they aren't failed experiments. Hojo "created" them to do exactly what they are doing(Reunion), so, they are sucessful experiments.

And now I'm back. "Esper Land" Jesus Christ.. Thamasa was a normal little town. This is -BEFORE- the whole Goddess thing, He had no powers from the Goddess' at this point. He killed the espers on his 'weaker' power level.

That post made it clear you don't think/know much of FFVI. Kefka was infused with esper magic, but taking that away from him is like taking away Sephiroth's sword, materia, and followers.

I didn't play FFVI. What i heard is that before Kefka absorbed the power of the statues, he manipulated Terra to open the gate/portal to "Esper Land"(or Thamasa or whatever), killed the Espers and absorbed their powers, becoming even more powerful than before. I only want to know if this is true, and even if i will play the game in the future, i like to read spoilers.

You really should play it.

(At the sealed gate.)
This is the sealed gate...
LOCKE: Beyond is the Esper World...
(If SETZER is there,)
SETZER: Why'd you bring me to such an awful place!?
TERRA: ......
(Kefka arrives behind them.)
TERRA! ...the gate...quickly!
K... ...Kefka!! You followed us!
KEFKA: U'hee, hee, heeee!!!! The Emperor was right! Let TERRA fall
into your hands, and you'd open the gate for us...! ......! How does
it feel to know you've been working for us?!

More so Kefka was just smart enough to know Terra and the Gang wanted to go get Espers help, in which Kefka had no place in other than the fact the wanted the espers help to get rid of him.

At Thamasa.

Sorry for the length. Oh and it's more like 11 espers or something.

KEFKA: G'ha, ha, ha! Emperor's orders! I'm to bring the Magicite
remains of these Espers to his excellency! Behold! A Magicite mother
lode!!
(Kefka kills Yura and two other Espers.)
KEFKA: Idiots!
KEFKA: I don't care for the appearance of this pitiful little
Hamlet... So burn it!!
LEO: Kefka! No!
KEFKA: Shut up!
(Leo is stricken down, but gets back up.)
LEO: Kefka! Your behavior is dishonorable! I can't allow this!
(Battle between Kefka and Leo begins. After a while, Kefka vanishes.)
KEFKA: Ah... ...Leo... ...always the consummate soldier......
LEO: Where are you, Kefka...... Show yourself!!
KEFKA: E M P E R O R G E S T A H L ... ...
I need you here......
(Gestahl appears out of nowhere.)
GESTAHL: Leo......
(Leo kneels down.)
LEO: My liege!
GESTAHL: I'm sorry I deceived even you, Leo. My purpose has been to
gather Magicite, and grow powerful...... Please understand me......
LEO: But, Emperor!
GESTAHL: Don't say anything. I understand how you feel.
KEFKA: Uwee, hee, hee...... That's right! What we have to do now is
collect Magicite!
LEO: But my liege... ...what have I been fighting for...?
GESTAHL: Leo, I'd like you to take a nice, long snooze...! Very long!
Uwa, ha!
(Gestahl changes to Kefka.)
LEO: !!!
KEFKA: So... ...you think you hit me?! That was simply my shadow!
And how did you like my Gestahl? I should've been on the stage!
Well, General......
(Kefka jumps and attacks Leo.)
KEFKA: You're such a goody two-shoes!
LEO: Shut up, Kefka! I oughtta......
KEFKA: Oh! A threat...? You're such a violent little brute! I'll
tell your "liege" that I had to exterminate a traitor...!
(Kefka kills Leo.)
KEFKA: Hate... ...hate... ...HATE!!
KEFKA: Whoa! Yes, I feel some incredible magic power here, today!
Wave after wave of pure, magical energy...
(Other Espers break out of the sealed gate.)
Wait we're here to help!
Hurry!
Get going!
KEFKA: I'd say you're all charged up, boys and girls...or whatever...
Say, remind me to show you my Magicite collection someday! You might
see a few familiar faces!!! Now for a little Magicite hocus-pocus...!
KEFKA: Now, little Espers... Let's see whatcha got!
(Kefka kills two Espers.)
KEFKA: Eh?! You wanna take me on? Fine. Here I am...
(Battle between Kefka and Esper begins. All attacks on Kefka refill
his HPs.)
KEFKA: Imagine! Thinking you could defeat ME!! This is rich! Mwa,
ha, ha! Now, my little Magicite pretties...... come, and help me
build the magical empire of "Kefka"!
(Kefka casts X-Zone on the Esper. He walks over and gets the Magicite
shard.)
KEFKA: G'haw, haw...... Ooh! They're warm to the touch!
(Battle ends.)
KEFKA: What treasures! This is ridiculous! I had no idea you were
such wimps! Time to put a stop to all this.
(Kefka kills seven Espers at the same time.)
KEFKA: Phew... I think I have plenty of Magicite for the time
being... that is, until I make my way through your precious sealed
gate!!
(Kefka is tickled by the reality.)
KEFKA: I don't believe this!
(Kefka laughs maniacally.)

[Goldenboko]

Original? They gave him a black coat, long silver hair, and a big ass sword. That's not very original.

Tell me, who looked like Sephiroth before the release of VII?

Setzer had the long silver hair and coat going on...

And other then that Sephiroth didn't have much to him, long hair, and a big ass sword. Kefka, Kuja, and heck even Jecht looked more original then Sephiroth. He wins a pretty boy contest, not an originality contest.

[Avarice-ness]

Original? They gave him a black coat, long silver hair, and a big ass sword. That's not very original.

Tell me, who looked like Sephiroth before the release of VII?

Setzer had the long silver hair and coat going on...

And other then that Sephiroth didn't have much to him, long hair, and a big ass sword. Kefka, Kuja, and heck even Jecht looked more original then Sephiroth. He wins a pretty boy contest, not an originality contest.

And I'm sure I can find various Anime guys like that created in 1997 and before.

[Ryushikaze]

Original? They gave him a black coat, long silver hair, and a big ass sword. That's not very original.

Tell me, who looked like Sephiroth before the release of VII?

Setzer had the long silver hair and coat going on...

And other then that Sephiroth didn't have much to him, long hair, and a big ass sword. Kefka, Kuja, and heck even Jecht looked more original then Sephiroth. He wins a pretty boy contest, not an originality contest.

And I'm sure I can find various Anime guys like that created in 1997 and before.

Off the top of my Head, Char Aznable, Anavel Gato, and Zechs Merquis, Dark Schneider, etc.

[Rocket Edge]

This picture is original & creepy (amano's first drawing of him).


Besides everything else, don't take my word for it, take everyone else's. There's a reason why he was voted the #1 villian on various poll's etc.

[PuPu]

This picture is original & creepy (amano's first drawing of him).


Besides everything else, don't take my word for it, take everyone else's. There's a reason why he was voted the #1 villian on various poll's etc.

Like it's been said before, it's his looks that make him the favorite of many and why he is so overrated. People who like villains such as Kefka and Kuja like them because of their villainy, and also, you hear Sehpy fans saying stuff like "Kefka is a clown" or "Kuja looks like a girl" and basically the only reason you hear why Sephy fanboys/fangirls say he looks cool is something like "pmgz sephiroth looks so friggen awesome and has a big sword." Now, people like 'The Crystal' actually go beyond his looks and gives many more reasons why Sephiroth is the best. Now, I may not agree with him, but at least I respect that he is actually supporting his opinion with facts (not opinions), something which some, if not most Sephy fans can't do, because they are all opinion and no facts.

And by the way, I never accused you of saying Sephiroth was your favorite. I was just replying to how looks make a villain liked more, not actually a greater villain.

[Reeno the Alchemist]

well if i may i love sephy and in my opinion he is the best bad guy ever i mean he won the award of biggest badass bad guy award in electronic gaming magezine (its on my wall =D?)so i really do think hes the best