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    Seph was one of my personal favorites mainly because he was psychotic yet at the same time highly intelligent.

    Far from the best though.

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    awwww,i-love-Sephi,he's-the-BEST!!!!!!!!!*my-opinion,please-dont-kill-me

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    I liked Sephy the best, plus him and Braska's Final Aeon have the best Songs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragon Mage View Post
    Well, the red cape thing was kind of an attempt at humor. And I was saying that whole thing with sephiroth and being smart ect, because I was saying that being insane doesn't make you cool. ~Reno~ said to name one evil guy that isn't insane, and I said 'mad' (supposedly) scientists aren't because their ideas could actually work in some cases. (unless it's got some magic in it then, no it wouldn't work and yes, they are insane. But that's the exception.
    As for sephiroth's plan...let's just say that there was too much room for error to work exactly the way he wanted it too. So much more or much less damage would have been wrought, more likely the former.
    I'm presuming he knew how Meteor would work from his trips both through lifestream and the temple, and knew it would leave the world intact enough and blow'd up enough for his purposes.

    Bishy? I'm afraid I'm not familiar with the term. Or did you mean bushy? Hmm. It always seemed to me that he didn't have a hair style, he just wore it 'freestyle' if you will. Thus my claim that he didn't have a hair style to mess up.
    Bishy, as in Bishounen. Usually defined by being incredibly long yet incredibly in control.

    Well just rub it in, getting 18's all the time. I have yet to roll an 18, I'll have you know! (lol).
    I don't get them all the time. Just often. For example, in a recent session, I nearly killed my party with a band of first level commoners simply because they rolled well enough.

    What version do you play? In my book, it doesn't take XP, just money and time. As too the artificer, I'm afraid I don't know that one. btw, do you play just d20 or classical as well?
    Mostly 3 and 3.5, with hedging between the two. I also play non d20 as well.

    Yeah, that nitro is some serious stuff to be carrying into battle. I keep it in a darkwood case, lined with velvet and padded with the softest wool I could fined. Cost me a bit to get the case made but at least I don't fall down and get blown up wit my own potion! :eek:
    Not entirely sure the case would help that much, but ::shrug::

    Hmm, true. Then you attack the monster nearest to you. (and I know about the multiple monsters; 3 rust monsters are not fun to deal with, especially when your just about the only one that can fight them)
    I know exactly what you mean, since I as a monk had to deal with several once.

    er...I think you got cut off for some reason. As for the seriously reduced ranges, mage armor can be your best friend here, as well as shield, blur and displacement.
    Mage Armor and shield are good, yes, but they actually go to waste on you compared to most of your party unless you really need them. I've always thought displacement lasted too shortly to be useful, and anytime you get high enough where it lasts long enough, you can pick up magic item for it instead.

    Yeah, but then the monster has to make 2 rolls if you have your familiar looking out for you. (psedodragons are very nice; a little stuck up, but nice.)
    Actually, it still only makes the one. You just get another chance to try and beat his sneaky.

    Sorry, I meant to type see invisiblity.
    When the hell was the last time I ran into an invisible enemy? I can't say it's a bad spell, but it's only useful when the foe vanishes.

    Charm monster isn't that good for higher level monsters, true, but it may be enought to stop them from dealing a killing blow. And considering my brother (the DM) is rolling for the monsters, and his rolls are notoriously bad (I believe there's something wrong with his dice or he's very unlucky) the monsters usually roll low. But that's just my group.
    What about darkvision, suggestion, chill touch, and daze and it's kindred spells? Those are very useful.
    Darkvision is the village bike, and can be gotten permanently with a feat or class. The other spells are nifty, yes, but remember, my position is "Mages are not teh ubar" not "Mages are teh suck". Bards are generally teh suck.

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    I'm presuming he knew how Meteor would work from his trips both through lifestream and the temple, and knew it would leave the world intact enough and blow'd up enough for his purposes.
    Just depends on how well you think an insane person will intepret information when he wants it to work out the way he wants it.

    Bishy, as in Bishounen. Usually defined by being incredibly long yet incredibly in control.
    And only a fantasy character would have hair like that.

    Not entirely sure the case would help that much, but ::
    It's saved my butt 3 times already. And the fact that it's wizard locked so that the thieves can't stel it and use it against you is helpful too.

    Mage Armor and shield are good, yes, but they actually go to waste on you compared to most of your party unless you really need them. I've always thought displacement lasted too shortly to be useful, and anytime you get high enough where it lasts long enough, you can pick up magic item for it instead.
    Man, you must have a great DM to get magic stuff like that. The only magic item I've got without me making it (scrolls) is a staff of spell storing.

    When the hell was the last time I ran into an invisible enemy? I can't say it's a bad spell, but it's only useful when the foe vanishes.
    In the Underdark, they're everywhere. First you can't see them in the dark, then you can't see them in the light. Annoying I tell you. And I've run into an invisable drow that summons invisible fiendish wolves, and an invisible gibbering mouther. (weird)

    Darkvision is the village bike, and can be gotten permanently with a feat or class. The other spells are nifty, yes, but remember, my position is "Mages are not teh ubar" not "Mages are teh suck". Bards are generally teh suck.
    Very true. Bards do suck. That's the one class that doesn't really do anything good or that makes sense, with the whole song thing. (sonic mage? what the heck?)

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    Are you saying the hardest final boss? If so I don't know what your talking about!

    Zeromus was incredibly tough (Big Bang 2000 damage all that kills 2 of my party members and leaves the rest low health I'm lucky I was playing easy type!)

    Necron had much better attacks and was more difficult (Grand Cross and Neutron Ring where better then Super Nova)
    Even BFA was harder then Seph.


    i dont know about that boss u know i havent played the really old games i was saying about all the games on the playstation i found him defently the hardest to beat!

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    its likely that im speaking out of my love for him, but he is by far the best, there is no better,im in love with the way he talks, moves, fights, acts, just about everything about him, in my opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboco View Post
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    I think sephiroth was the hardest to beat aswell Kuja was easy i beat him first time as for garland you dont even fight him!
    Are you saying the hardest final boss? If so I don't know what your talking about!

    Zeromus was incredibly tough (Big Bang 2000 damage all that kills 2 of my party members and leaves the rest low health I'm lucky I was playing easy type!)

    Necron had much better attacks and was more difficult (Grand Cross and Neutron Ring where better then Super Nova)
    Even BFA was harder then Seph.
    BFA is a lot easier than Sephy.
    BFA - 3 hit and it dies.....
    Sephy - According to Endless. calculation (if memory serve right), for the very least, you need 7 hit. But, usually, 15 hit.

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    I think Sephiroth is far from the best villain in the series. He's a cliche. White hair? Black cloak? Big sword? Yeah. Old. Not to mention that his fanbase is 99% retarded. Like sometimes I talk to sephyboi98877masamune.

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    I know this debate will go on forever, but here's my listing on the bad guys in the games I've played.

    1 (Garland) - classic baddie role. Deserves to be the first and last boss battles in the game.

    2 (Emperor) - Ehhh.... not so much-a
    6 (Kefka) - Don't find him to be that crazy. Kind of funny actually. Just no real story behind him and him taking over the world is not that crazy. Just liked power and he was used in experiments as mentioned in one line from some random point at some random point in the game. I just didn't enjoy him as much as some people do.

    7 (Sephiroth) - I personally like him. I think I would go crazy too if I found out about that smurfed up childhood. And I do find him to be the best. He's ridiculous with that outfit and sword. (Not a VII fanboy by the way. Just love the game)

    8 (Ultimecia) - Awful, we find out nothing about her.
    8 (Seifer) - Good ties with the main character. The redeeming factor to continue this game to the end.

    9 (Kuja) - So good. Just good story really. Nothing more that I can say.

    X (Seymour) - Ehhh. Kind of wierd sounding, but he always sounded like a child rapist to me. Just creepy, which I guess is good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raebus View Post
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    I personally think Kuja is the best villain.
    Seconded.
    I agree too along with the Elephant lady.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dell View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboco View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by chrisfffan View Post
    I think sephiroth was the hardest to beat aswell Kuja was easy i beat him first time as for garland you dont even fight him!
    Are you saying the hardest final boss? If so I don't know what your talking about!

    Zeromus was incredibly tough (Big Bang 2000 damage all that kills 2 of my party members and leaves the rest low health I'm lucky I was playing easy type!)

    Necron had much better attacks and was more difficult (Grand Cross and Neutron Ring where better then Super Nova)
    Even BFA was harder then Seph.
    BFA is a lot easier than Sephy.
    BFA - 3 hit and it dies.....
    Sephy - According to Endless. calculation (if memory serve right), for the very least, you need 7 hit. But, usually, 15 hit.
    For the normal gamer BFA is harder. Most people who play FFX don't do 99,999 with each hit the first time they fight BFA. That's like saying Seph is too easy because of KOTR and Final-Attack Phenoix.

    Quote Originally Posted by chrisfffan View Post
    i dont know about that boss u know i havent played the really old games i was saying about all the games on the playstation i found him defently the hardest to beat!
    No, Necron is harder (unless your level 99 when facing Seph). Necron has Nuetron Ring which does +4000 damage to the party in a game where at level 50 not many characters have 4000 HP (At least mine didn't). Also Grand Cross which lowwers your HP to 1-10 and inflicts random status effects, even instant death, and doom which are unblockable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Omni-Odin View Post
    X (Seymour) - Ehhh. Kind of wierd sounding, but he always sounded like a child rapist to me.
    :laugh:

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    I think so because in FFV X-Death is a no emotion kind of boss. Kefka was a kocky person and acted like he was all tough. Ultimecia was boring and basically didn't cause much to happen in the story line. Kuja was all like he was all so powerful and is better then everyone. Sin basically didn't do anything major or rational. Shepiroth on the other hand is basically a mixture.

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    In answer to the thread's question, no, Sephiroth is not the best bad guy in the series.

    If you listen to how he talks, he's not really that evil. He's just out of control. His goal isn't necessarily to destroy the world, but his plan to reach his goal does involve destroying the world. He word choice suggests that he's actually doing something noble. Protecting the Promised Land from Shin Ra, and whenever he kills someone, he talks about how they go back to the planet, implying that he did it out of kindness.

    Kefka (FF6) is a good bad guy. He loves the suffering of others. He has no greater goal for happiness. He loves to hear people screaming in pain and terror. He loves to watch people die, even people who have been like family to him. His plan isn't to destroy the world. His plan seems to center around slowly and painfully killing off everything living thing on the world, for his own pleasure.
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    See: My signature. Note the barrier stopping Sephiroth from Destroying the world. Now, Note the lack of barrier on the other side, and the fire and explosions, originally that peice of land was connected! AND THAT'S BEFORE THE STORY GETS BACK IN FULL SWING. =OOOO

    Sephiroth was crazy and failed, and when killed, the world would basically be the same from when it started.
    Kefka was crazy and won, because regardless if you kill him, The worlds still going to suck really bad because he blew up 78% and most the population is gone. FFVI is a wonderful loose loose situation.

    That Nekron(sp) dude from FFIX only because I had forgot he even had a story, which blindsided me. xD

    And I'll just go with Zeromus too 'cause he scares me. .-.

    Oh and to Feion. Remember when Kefka killed Ghestal, and was yelling at the statues because they wouldn't kill him quick enough, then when he died, proceeded to kick his dead body off the floating continent while laughing?
    Yeah Sephiroth would have just let him go to the lifestream. =[

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