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    That 'voice' is Cloud. I mean, the real Cloud, not the one that says he was in SOLDIER and everything else.
    He didn't 'inherit' Zack's personality, he was just imitating him to the best of his abilities, which weren't that good. But hey!, if you believe something is true, without a doubt, then your going to follow that belief completley. He thought he was Zack=him acting like Zack. In the end however, he's most definitley 'Cloud'.

    Now the real question is how the hell did he manage to fool himself into thinking that he was Zack? It was never explained in the game.

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    Don't know how accurate Wikipedia is, but this is what it says happens after the Nibelheim mission.

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    Zack and Cloud are retrieved by Shin-Ra forces and kept in custody. They are subjected against their will to biological experimentation involving genetic material from Jenova, under the supervision of Professor Hojo. Eventually, Zack breaks out and literally drags Cloud with him during their escape. Zack gives Cloud some of his clothes and gets them transport to Midgar. During this time, Cloud is weak, groggy and somewhat delirious, as he had reacted more strongly to the experiments than Zack did. However, Zack talks continuously to the unresponsive Cloud about his life and his plans to become a mercenary in Midgar, get rich and be with his girlfriend. When they finally arrive outside of Midgar, the Shin-Ra security force that have been searching for them finally catch up. They try to detain the escaped prisoners, but Zack fights back to defend both Cloud and himself. The Shin-Ra troops, armed with machine guns, shoot Zack to death and leave Cloud for dead after seeing his vegetative state. However, Cloud manages to recover. The combined weight of all this trauma finally makes him snap, and he adopts Zack's persona, combining it with his own. He believes that he was successful in joining SOLDIER, and that he fulfilled Zack's role in the fateful mission to Nibelheim. Cloud takes Zack's buster sword and continues on to Midgar. Upon his arrival, Cloud seeks work as a mercenary, just as Zack said he intended to do. This is where Final Fantasy VII begins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stoners-lunchbox View Post
    He's lied about his identity, but it's also true that he's a "failed experiment" (Hojo attempted to make a Sepiroth clone out of him). You could say that this whole mess was a mix of his lies and Jenova's power to engineer memories.
    Doesn't every one believe he is a failed experiment until the last time you beat HoJo where he says something like, I always though you were a failier but your not becasue Cloud was made stronger by fighting off the infection of jenova cells rather than embracing them and becoming a puppet/clone. like ohers..... or i may have just made this up myself lol. I relly need a recap of the whole story lol.

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    If it really was Sephy, then he'd aim for Cloud's previously skimmed knees, thinking they were Cloud's weakness. Lol.

    Seriously, I believe that the real Cloud was talking to him. May I say that this is MY opinion and I believe this to be right. If I'm wrong, people, inform me. The closest person to the Jenova Cloud (Cloud after he was implanted with Jenova's cells) was the real Cloud. I think that he was pushed aside by both Jenova's cells and Cloud's admiration for Zack, therefore pushing Zack's memories into his head. Cloud did develop in terms of character because of what happened with his liberation of Shinra Mansion and Zack's death. (We can't pretend that Cloud wasn't aware of Zack dying) After discovering his past and his memories, he learned that his developed memories were a combination of his and Zack's. After all, Cloud was there too when Sephiroth massacred Nibelhiem, so it all just can't be one big lie. I believe that Sephiroth has little contribution to Jenova Cloud. That's all Jenova, but it's no surprise, being Jenova brothers, Sephiroth anticipated that Cloud would regroup to the Northern Crater for the Reunion. He may have been aware what Cloud has been thinking because a) They share Jenova's cells and b) He was there too. Don't forget that Sephiroth was traveling with Cloud during that mission of which they needed to exterminate monsters 'round Nibelhiem's reactor.

    That's my theory, so if I'm wrong, then tell me your opinion.
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    I always thought it was Zack's voice. Like how Aeris follows cloud in AC. Sometimes I though it switched to Sephiroth or Jenova.
    Last edited by Edge7; 02-17-2008 at 08:17 PM.
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