Actually, TMV are on a major record label. So they aren't techinally indie. And they stopped doing drugs after their sound manipulator died. So they're not stoners.
Anyways, to me emo is more about the fashion, hair, and attitude than it is the music, though these things all seem to coincide with emos. I personally know quite a few kids with emo-ish fashion and hair that listen to good and "non-emo" music.







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