You're not a Final Fantasy!

[Ashley Schovitz]

To me this Final Fantasy just doesn't feel like one to me. It's good, well really great, but it still doesn't feel like a FF to me. Here are my reasons.

1. None of the summons are the ones used in previous FFs, Shiva, Ifrit, Atomos, and Leviathan are all airships and I don't recall seeing Bahamut in any form.

2. Where's Biggs and Wedge? I always loved this comedial duo, the lack of them is is sad.

3. Spells. Some of the spells from other FFs have changed like Life is now Raise and there seems to be a lot of unnecessary ga's.

4. Cactuars. I might not just be far enough in the game, but I haven't seen a single Catuar yet and Cactite doesn't cut for it for me. I hope that they will have Tonberries

5. The story stands out a lot compared to all the other FFs. I'm not complaing though i like it.

This wasn't really a list of complaints except for reasons 1 and 2. I just don't think it really feels like an FF to me, although Balthier reminds me of Wakka and Zell.

[Omni-Odin]

I feel ya. I like the game as well, but without the old battle system and all the past times (Wedge, Biggs, tonberries, etc.) it isn't the same.

[TidusMaster]

ya, i agree. it doesnt feel the same. and whats with the Nu-Mou's? they look TOTALLY different then in the FFTA game....

[Ichimonji]

1. Bahamut is an Airship, at least they're all refered to. There was no Summons in Final Fantasy I & II.

2. Biggs and Wedge weren't in Final Fantasy I through V and IX. In XII there are two soldiers named Gibbs and Deweg. Deweg is an anagram for Wedge, and for Biggs, they swaped 'B' with 'G'. They bicker like Biggs and Wedge from Final Fantasy VIII.

3. 'Ga', 'Aga', and 'Ja' have been around from Final Fantasy VIII - XI, and Raise was a term various old school Final Fantasies.

4. Cactuars started with Final Fantasy VI.

Final Fantasy is all about change (with various references to previous Final Fantasies), and I'm sure all those Final Fantasies mentioned above felt like Final Fantasy... The definition of Final Fantasy is different for everybody though. Final Fantasy needs change, if they continued to have the same material in every Final Fantasy, then it would be no better than Dragon Quest. Don't get me wrong though, I love Dragon Quest also. I'm glad they changed a few things up that they have been repeating a lot lately, it gives them something else to refer to in the future.

[Ashley Schovitz]

speaking of Dragon Quest, where did it come fro, I never heard of it until VIII, so what happened to all the other 7?

As for Ja, I don't ever recall Ja being in VIII, IX, or X.
Vanishga and Esunaga just sound plain stupid.

[Ichimonji]

Oh, Dragon Quest has been around since before Final Fantasy. I think the first one came out in 1986. Anyways, you can find the old school DQ games now on Game Boy Color, and DQVII was released for Playstation. Most of them were released on the NES/SNES though.

Gravija was used in FFVIII and/or FFX I believe. They also used 'Ja' for Final Fantasy Tactics.

[Goldenboko]

speaking of Dragon Quest, where did it come fro, I never heard of it until VIII, so what happened to all the other 7?

As for Ja, I don't ever recall Ja being in VIII, IX, or X.
Vanishga and Esunaga just sound plain stupid.

They where in X international.

[BustaMo]

Final Fantasy is all about change (with various references to previous Final Fantasies), and I'm sure all those Final Fantasies mentioned above felt like Final Fantasy... The definition of Final Fantasy is different for everybody though. Final Fantasy needs change, if they continued to have the same material in every Final Fantasy, then it would be no better than Dragon Quest. Don't get me wrong though, I love Dragon Quest also. I'm glad they changed a few things up that they have been repeating a lot lately, it gives them something else to refer to in the future.

Thank you, for that whole paragraph.

I've played almost all of the Final Fantasy games to date and this one DOES feel like a Final Fantasy. Castle's, dragons, leagendary weapons, re-occuring bosses (the Judges), tons of side-quests (more than any other FF to date), Mega Bosses, etc.

I think if I'da played one more damn FF game where I had to acquire a Ifrit, Shiva, and Bahamut (respectively in that order basically), I'da went to Japan and shot Sakaguchi, personally. It gets oldddddd. So many people complain that Square-Enix is losing its touch because they aren't original wioth FF's anymore, then they go any try something different with the battle system and Espers, and no one can ever be pleased.

Freak'n damn, I don't want to play the same damn boring game with only a different story, for every Final Fantasy game released. Keep these new ideas rolling SE! I Love 'em! Quite relying on past glories and start exciting us with new and pleasantly surprising features!

[Zeromus_X]

How can this not feel like a Final Fantasy?

1. None of the summons are the ones used in previous FFs, Shiva, Ifrit, Atomos, and Leviathan are all airships and I don't recall seeing Bahamut in any form.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i1..._X/kthxbai.jpg, the (SPOILER)final dungeon is Sky Fortress Bahamut.

3. Spells. Some of the spells from other FFs have changed like Life is now Raise and there seems to be a lot of unnecessary ga's.

I'm thankful that the spells are properly translated this time.

Anyway, Ichimonji is correct. This game is very unique in that it has about ten times more the nostalgic qualities of Final Fantasy IX, has some old-school attributes, and yet has the most revolutionary system of combat of all the Final Fantasies. Final Fantasy is a constantly changing series, but there are some things that will always stay.

[Roto13]

I think it feels more like a Final Fantasy Tactics than a Final Fantasy. :P

[Crossblades]

It feels like an FF game to me, despite the radical changes SE has made.

[Moon Rabbits]

I've been getting the final fatnasy vibe the whole way thorugh.

[Spatvark]

1. None of the summons are the ones used in previous FFs

That irks me, it really does. Why does it matter that they tried something different? And even then, they aren't that original;
most of the summons are actually from previous games:

• Chaos - FF1
• Mateus - FF2 (Emperor)
• Famfrit - FF3 (Dark Cloud)
• Zeromus - FF4
• Exodus - FF5 (Ex-Death)
• Ultima - FFT (Altima)
• Zodiack - FFT (Zodiac)
• Adrammelech - FFT:A

Which leaves Belias, Shemhazai, Hashmal, Cuchulainn and Zalera.

I think if I'da played one more damn FF game where I had to acquire a Ifrit, Shiva, and Bahamut (respectively in that order basically), I'da went to Japan and shot Sakaguchi, personally.

Why? It's not like he's part of S-E anymore. In fact, note that he left and THEN Ifrit, Shiva and Bahamut suddenly aren't summons. I wouldn't be surprised if they turn up in future Mistwalker games though XD

I think it feels more like a Final Fantasy Tactics than a Final Fantasy. :P

Well, Matsuno, the first director for the game did also direct FFT, FFT:A and VS, which account for a hell of a lot of what makes FF12 so different from the previous games in the series. Which is also why it's such a tragedy he left S-E.

[Zeromus_X]

Which leaves Belias, Shemhazai, Hashmal, Cuchulainn and Zalera.

Those are all Lucavi from Final Fantasy Tactics, albeit, with different names in that game of course.

Belias= Velius
Shemhazai= Shumihaza (I think this was a Lucavi. I'm not entirely sure.)
Hashmal= Hashmalum
Cuchulainn= Queklain
Zalera= Zahlera.


And yes, final bosses as summons is possibly the best thing they've ever done.

[Germ Hamee]

I think it's funny, because all of the things fanboys/girls are whining about not being in this game are the least appealing points of the series for me. What, were you only looking forward to it so that you could summon Shiva again? Was the old battle system really so amazing that you'd want to use it in every game thereafter?

How about, you know, just playing the old ones over again? Personally, I don't see the point in spending my money on a new, prettier version of an old game every few years.

What is this much talked about but yet to be defined "feel" of Final Fantasy, anyway? Is it really just the cameos? I don't get it. What's the fuss? As long as the story's good, I see no reason to complain. It's silly to put that much in a title.