Favorite Villian?

[Goldenboko]

Kefka is probably the only villain in FF to ever achieve their goals (he became a god) and the party couldn't stop him. (Though they did defeat him in the end from destroying the world.) Quite possibly the #1 villain of FF.

If Kefka isn't the best then it's most likely Kuja. Kuja had also accomplished his goal of killing Garland and achieving Trance. He had many qualities like Kefka that make him a great villain as well.

I expected Sephy to have a lot of popularity. He is a great villain, but the fact that he looks cool and totally beats Kefka the clown and Kuja the cross-dresser by looks is probably what many people like him for, not his villainy.

But I seriously never thought Ultimecia would actually do this well. After all, you never even got to see her directly until the end of the game.

Honestly, me and Boco both think Ultimecia just plain sucks in almost every way. :rolleyes2

But hey, that's just us.

Honestly... your wrong about why everone likes Sephiroth. I personally like him for his AWSOME weapon, AWSOME looks, and AWSOME additude... plus his superhuman ablilities such as coming back after a year or two... control the will of Jenova (who wouldn't want that?)... and his masterful plan...

Exactly, people like him because of his looks, and weapon... not because of any true villianistic deeds. I have a friend who acts just like you, "I love Seph! Seph is awesome!" Guess what? He hasn't even played FFVII he just knows what Sephiroth looks like and what his blade is like. PuPu is right in every way, most people like Sephiroth for his looks and his blade.

Ultimcia, because she created the most complex plot that people are still talking about it today.

Not really... alot of people are talking about Sephiroth more...plus (I love this) He's in more than one game...fuwahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Actually, no. The R=U theory is one of the most argued and flamed debates there is in FF history, I've been involved in about three debates in eyesonff about that in the past 3 months. And what does more then 1 production have anything to do with a complex plot?

Hmm sephiroth...Man when you vs him you have to beat him 3 times!

There I DEFINANTLY agree with you. Yeah, the first form is easy but acording to a rumor I heard, Safer Saphiroth gets EXTREMLY powerful for every level 99 or so characters. I'd like to see any other badies get more powerful depending on level like that...

Multi-fighting ending bosses isn't rare you fight FFXIIVayne three times as well

We were talking about how you fight the SAME character more than once in a row

Yes, and in FFXII (SPOILER)you fight Vayne, then you fight Vayne using then Nethicite, then you fight Vayne infused with Vaat(I think thats how you spell that name). Same character three times in a row.

[Leeza]

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If you wish to quote more than one person in order to reply to them, use the xquote button which will put all of the quotes into your Reply box at one time, but DO NOT DOUBLE POST.

[chrisfffan]

she is but in terms of looks and personality Edea is the much better villain.

....You realize that Ultimecia is just a slightly edited verison of Edea's character. As for personality, Edea was on the good side, so actually she isn't a good candidiate for a villian.

i meant before you find out about Ultimecia she was a pretty cool villain the way she looked the way she talked i think it would of been much better if she was the villain all the way through.

you all know who i voted for and the reasons are

1. He was not all bad to begin with he was a great man then he discovers something terrible and goes mad!

2. (The death of the flower girl) it made such a impact on the game.

3. (The town in flames) when you see him in the flames i think that’s one of the best final fantasy clips ever its like he has turned to the dark side.

[Goldenboko]

she is but in terms of looks and personality Edea is the much better villain.

....You realize that Ultimecia is just a slightly edited verison of Edea's character. As for personality, Edea was on the good side, so actually she isn't a good candidiate for a villian.

i meant before you find out about Ultimecia she was a pretty cool villain the way she looked the way she talked i think it would of been much better if she was the villain all the way through.

Once, again her "looks" where incredibly similar to Ulti's.

[chrisfffan]

i think they were better she looked like a older duller Edea to me and as you can see in that picture before her character is a lot better then Ultimecia thats why she is in the picture with the other bad guys.

[Goldenboko]

i think they were better she looked like a older duller Edea to me and as you can see in that picture before her character is a lot better then Ultimecia thats why she is in the picture with the other bad guys.

....what? I'm having trouble deciphering that.

[PuPu]

ChrisFFfan, let me put it to you in the simplest way possible.

Edea=Not the villain of FFVIII. Ultimecia controlled Edea's body.
Ultimecia=The villain of FFVIII and a horrible one at that.

And One Winged Angel Sephiroth:

You honestly have very weak support on why Sephiroth is great. Burns down Nibelheim, kills Aeris and President Shinra, manipulates Cloud, and summons Meteor so he can become a god. Nobody who played FFVII before wouldn't already know these things.

Being in more than one game....you must be kidding me. That is completely irrelevant to how great a villain he is. I think he is in FFVII Before Crisis and Crisis Core, though we can't judge those, since we don't know what he is like in those yet. In Kingdom Hearts I, he was just an extra boss to fight, and in Kingdom Hearts II, he was just Cloud's enemy; and they have a fight scene and that's the end of that. Finally, he's also a secret character in a game called Ehrgeiz, which is some fighting game somewhat like Tekken I've heard. These games really only show how overrated he is and has too many fanboys/fangirls who like him for no good reason. Some of them are like you, actually.

"You have to beat him more than once"

I'm guessing you are supposed to show his power by giving this as an example. Well, first of all, using battle mechanics to determine a person's power is totally inaccurate. And if Sephy could really destroy the Solar System, he would already be a god, and wouldn't need Meteor to do his work for him.

There are people on this forum who give much better support for Sephiroth than you. While I may not agree with them sometimes, at least they know how to back up what they say.

[chrisfffan]

my reasons are enough and plenty of people agree with me that Sephiroth is the best! as for Ultimecia you only get to see her at the end of the game so its not the same as Sephiroth or Kuja for example.

[Goldenboko]

my reasons are enough and plenty of people agree with me that Sephiroth is the best! as for Ultimecia you only get to see her at the end of the game so its not the same as Sephiroth or Kuja for example.

That post was actually directed toward OneWingedWhat'shisface, although I guess it could easily been changed to be directed toward you.

Yes we know you only see Ulti at the end of the game but that doesn't change the fact she is the main villian.

[The Crystal]

Okay, to anyone that don't understand, i will explain this in the more clear way possible.

During the first half of the game, we can compare Edea with a clothe that Ultimecia was using. Ultimecia's mind/soul was litteraly inside Edea's body controlling it, and the body was just a shell. Ultimecia was using Edea's body to fight, move, talk, etc. and the true Edea(her consciousnes) was probably just "sleeping" during that time.
Ultimecia said the speech in Galbadia, Ultimecia threw a giant ice spear against Squall, Ultimecia fought against your party in the garden, etc.

During the first half of the game, Edea IS Ultimecia. That means that, when you say "i liked Edea's personality", you are saying "i liked Ultimecia's personality" because during that time they are the SAME PERSON. Is almost like if Ultimecia shapeshifted her body in Edea's image.

Ultimecia was present in the story in the begining to the end, and Edea was never a villain, because Ultimecia only used her body(shell/clothe).


Now, you guys understanded?

[Goldenboko]

I understand but I'm a very literal person and you don't actually see Ulti till the end of the game. Also most of her lines when she is in Edea's body are pointless like, "All SeeDs will die!"

[The Crystal]

I understand but I'm a very literal person and you don't actually see Ulti till the end of the game.

You see her before the end of the game. When Ulti possesed Rinoa's body. But you only see her when Squall go back to the past(in space). Read what i said in "The Story" thread in FFVIII forum for more details of what i'm talking about.

EDIT: Screw what i said about FFVIII forum, this is the quote:

But you remember what happened in space, when Squall's mind go to the past? He saw Edea's body collapsed in the ground, and then he saw Ultimecia's soul/mind(in the form of the first form that you fight in the final battle(her true body), but transparent). She looked at him and said something like "You don't belong to this time. Get out!" AND after this, her soul/mind litteraly entered Rinoa's body, possesing it. This is a prove that Ulti was litteraly inside of Edea. But unfortunately, this is the scene that most people forget, and because of Zemus and Golbez's relation in FFIV(simple mind controll), people think that Ultimecia and Edea's relation is the same.

Also most of her lines when she is in Edea's body are pointless like, "All SeeDs will die!"

This is not totally true. She have good lines, like her speech in Galbadia for example. The same speech that she said that she destroyed many nations in the past.
Now, talking with anyone that think that "evil Edea" and Ultimecia are not the same person: When Edea destroyed many nations? When she was the matron of the orphanage? Hard to belive. And if this is true, why no one in the begin of the game talked about "the evil Edea that destroyed nations of the world"? Maybe because that never happened. Maybe because that would happen only in the future, and people, obviously, didn't know about that. But how Edea would know about that, and why she said that she did that? Maybe because who was talking was NOT Edea, but someone else? Ultimecia "maybe"?!

[Goldenboko]

I understand but I'm a very literal person and you don't actually see Ulti till the end of the game.

You see her before the end of the game. When Ulti possesed Rinoa's body. But you only see her when Squall go back to the past(in space). Read what i said in "The Story" thread in FFVIII forum for more details of what i'm talking about.

EDIT: Screw what i said about FFVIII forum, this is the quote:

But you remember what happened in space, when Squall's mind go to the past? He saw Edea's body collapsed in the ground, and then he saw Ultimecia's soul/mind(in the form of the first form that you fight in the final battle(her true body), but transparent). She looked at him and said something like "You don't belong to this time. Get out!" AND after this, her soul/mind litteraly entered Rinoa's body, possesing it. This is a prove that Ulti was litteraly inside of Edea. But unfortunately, this is the scene that most people forget, and because of Zemus and Golbez's relation in FFIV(simple mind controll), people think that Ultimecia and Edea's relation is the same.

Also most of her lines when she is in Edea's body are pointless like, "All SeeDs will die!"

This is not totally true. She have good lines, like her speech in Galbadia for example. The same speech that she said that she destroyed many nations in the past.
Now, talking with anyone that think that "evil Edea" and Ultimecia are not the same person: When Edea destroyed many nations? When she was the matron of the orphanage? Hard to belive. And if this is true, why no one in the begin of the game talked about "the evil Edea that destroyed nations of the world"? Maybe because that never happened. Maybe because that would happen only in the future, and people, obviously, didn't know about that. But how Edea would know about that, and why she said that she did that? Maybe because who was talking was NOT Edea, but someone else? Ultimecia "maybe"?!

I said, MOST. I actually did remember that, but everything else she said wasn't memoriable enough, and none of it provided backstory.

[The Crystal]

I understand but I'm a very literal person and you don't actually see Ulti till the end of the game.

You see her before the end of the game. When Ulti possesed Rinoa's body. But you only see her when Squall go back to the past(in space). Read what i said in "The Story" thread in FFVIII forum for more details of what i'm talking about.

EDIT: Screw what i said about FFVIII forum, this is the quote:

But you remember what happened in space, when Squall's mind go to the past? He saw Edea's body collapsed in the ground, and then he saw Ultimecia's soul/mind(in the form of the first form that you fight in the final battle(her true body), but transparent). She looked at him and said something like "You don't belong to this time. Get out!" AND after this, her soul/mind litteraly entered Rinoa's body, possesing it. This is a prove that Ulti was litteraly inside of Edea. But unfortunately, this is the scene that most people forget, and because of Zemus and Golbez's relation in FFIV(simple mind controll), people think that Ultimecia and Edea's relation is the same.

Also most of her lines when she is in Edea's body are pointless like, "All SeeDs will die!"

This is not totally true. She have good lines, like her speech in Galbadia for example. The same speech that she said that she destroyed many nations in the past.
Now, talking with anyone that think that "evil Edea" and Ultimecia are not the same person: When Edea destroyed many nations? When she was the matron of the orphanage? Hard to belive. And if this is true, why no one in the begin of the game talked about "the evil Edea that destroyed nations of the world"? Maybe because that never happened. Maybe because that would happen only in the future, and people, obviously, didn't know about that. But how Edea would know about that, and why she said that she did that? Maybe because who was talking was NOT Edea, but someone else? Ultimecia "maybe"?!

I said, MOST. I actually did remember that, but everything else she said wasn't memoriable enough, and none of it provided backstory.

But this scene prove that Ulti was not mind controlling her, and was litteraly inside of her body. This is what i'm talking about, and i hope that people like chrisfffan read this, and understand.
Ultimecia is a good villain, but because people didn't understand the story of the game, she have to compete against herself("evil Edea") for the tittle of "best FFVIII villain", and this is completely ridiculous.

[chrisfffan]

sorry to use so many star wars terms but maybe she’s a lot like the evil emperor in the background illusive? that can make her a very good villain.