GUNZ !!! BANG!

[Vincent, Thunder God]

And most kids of 3 and up would know the dangers of a sharp object. Guns are less obvious. A curious child could more easily die from a gun.

Yeah, it's just completely unimaginable to say a parent should be responsible enough to keep a gun somewhere where's there's no chance kids could get them.

Spare me the sarcasm please. It's happened before. I'm not saying it's a really prevelant occurance, but you've taken this out of context; it's just one of the ways innocents can die from gun ownership that I listed. Why do you people keep denying the several possible connections between increased gun ownership and increased gun-related deaths? It's simple logic! Anyway...

I remember being told of a case a while back (it might have been in Canada, I can't remember the specifics) when a child got into a gun cabinet that wasn't properly closed and died.

Also... I've been replying to nik0tine so much I missed some of these comments the first time. I'm going to reply to them even though they're a couple of pages old.

If you went to the source I gave you'd realize it's also on a respected Illinois facts page. I just remembered that the numbers themselves were the ones in the film.

Too bad Michael Moore edited the US numbers to include legally justified homicides (self-defense, etc.) to bump the numbers up an extra couple thousand. Very legitimate.

:rolleyes2 He didn't. I specifically remember that the numbers on the site are the same ones as in the film, 11789. I'm not 100% sure, but if there was a difference it was not several thousand. I'm sure that in the film it was almost 12000, just like on the page. You've got to start getting you facts straight.

That's because guns are easier to kill people with.

Guns don't cause murder, they are used in murder because they are efficient.

The fact that they are easy to kill with only makes them even more terrible tools. And seriously... it should be pretty obivious that something that's easy to kill with is more likely to cause deaths by accident than something that isn't.

Also, I think the fact that they are so easy to kill with actually DO encourage murderers. Trying to kill with, for example, a spoon is disscouraging because there's a high probability that you'll fail to kill the victim and get pwn'd yourself. Sure, a knife on the other hand isn't exactly hard to kill with either. But it IS still a lot harder and involves a greater risk than with a gun, and thus I DO think that some people who would kill you in an instant with a gun, actually would think twice before trying to do the same with a knife. And unlike guns, knifes serves other more useful purposes than killing.

Oh well...

Exactly. Efficiency is one of the main reasons that guns themselves can provoke violence.