How Doth the Earth Suffer Under Yous?

[black orb]

The base for this thing is 1 Planet. You have to be a vegan living in a multistory apartment complex without water and electricity, and you can't ever travel anywhere except by bike or by foot in order to not use up more resources than the planet can hold.

Which obviously isn't true. So this is a farce.

>>> Its not a farce, I think the results depend on the country and city you live. I have water and electricity, I live in a small multistory apartment complex, I rarely eat meat and I dont go anywhere..

And I still need one planet..

[NorthernChaosGod]

I am being beaten by like a few people only, awesome.

[The Man]

What I think is falace is that even if we lived the ultimate ideal life you had just expressed we'd probably still need more planets because they're are just too many people. Without condensed city locations and mass production (which causes most of the problems) we wouldn't be able to sustain the population we have.

There are a huge number of people on the planet, but honestly, the quickest way to lower the population growth rate would be to bring everyone else up to a reasonable standard of living. It's pretty simple really, when a country is in Third World conditions, no one's particularly well educated or empowered, the social cost of having children is very low, the rate of children who die in childhood is very high, and the only way to have people around to take care of you in your old age is to if you have kids, so the logical thing for everyone to do is to keep smurfing and smurfing in their free time, because really, there's nothing else to entertain people when they're living on less than a dollar's worth of purchasing power every day. When you raise people to the standards of living of, say, most of Europe, people are far better educated, women are empowered to do more things than just mothering, and a child is a social liability until it graduates college or gets its law degree. Not to mention that, unless you live in a country where forty million people are medically underinsured, one hundred and ten million people are medically uninsured, and there's no national health care system to take care of those who can't fend for themselves, the state will take care of the elderly.

So the solution to overpopulation is to stop hoarding everything for ourselves and allow the people in the rest of the world to have some as well. Of course, this would require a massive paradigm shift on the part of the most powerful people in the world, and as Upton Sinclair wrote, it is difficult to get a man to understand a thing when his salary depends on his not understanding it.

I didn't take the test. I commute via automobile several hundred miles from Boca Raton to Sarasota most weekends, so I'm probably awful. Unfortunately, I don't have too much of a choice in this, since our country's public transportation system sucks ass.

[Yamaneko]

We really shouldn't be giving the Third World much more until they can clearly show that they are responsible enough to manage what we give them. So far their track record isn't great.

[The Man]

That's because they have governments that are more concerned with stuffing their coffers than they are with helping their people. I don't think that's coincidental, either.

I posted some more on this subject here.

[41-Inches-Wide]

We really shouldn't be giving the Third World much more until they can clearly show that they are responsible enough to manage what we give them. So far their track record isn't great.

We really don't want your aid, either.

[Madame Adequate]

We really shouldn't be giving the Third World much more until they can clearly show that they are responsible enough to manage what we give them. So far their track record isn't great.

We really don't want your aid, either.

K. We'll stop. Sorry 'bout trying to keep you from dying there. Road to hell, good intentions, you know how it goes.

2.9 planets for me.

Cool! Let's get to colonizing already then.

[BarelySeeAtAll]

hehe, i found that almost as random as me

[Mirage]

FOOD 1.6
MOBILITY 0.1
SHELTER 0.8
GOODS/SERVICES 1
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 3.5

IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 1.9 PLANETS.

Good thing not everyone lives as me then.

[The Man]

We really shouldn't be giving the Third World much more until they can clearly show that they are responsible enough to manage what we give them. So far their track record isn't great.

We really don't want your aid, either.

As I explained in the other thread, that's because "aid" is usually used by capitalistic societies as a euphemism for "economic exploitation." If actual helpful things, such as buying land for starving people and teaching them how to farm it, were being done, I'm sure the sentiment would be much different.

Also, just out of curiosity, where are you located?

[NeoCracker]

CATEGORY ACRES

FOOD 5.9

MOBILITY 0.2

SHELTER 2.2

GOODS/SERVICES 2.2

TOTAL FOOTPRINT 10



IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.




IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 2.4 PLANETS.

[41-Inches-Wide]

We really shouldn't be giving the Third World much more until they can clearly show that they are responsible enough to manage what we give them. So far their track record isn't great.

We really don't want your aid, either.

K. We'll stop. Sorry 'bout trying to keep you from dying there. Road to hell, good intentions, you know how it goes.

I take a stance as such: I don't think foreign aid is helpful. The long term consequences is damaging and the people never get any help the aid is supposedly there to help them out. Actually, I think it's the one that keeps the third world still drowning in debt.