underrated!

[Ryushikaze]

I've noticed that really smart people who are deep thinkers tend to enjoy FF8. I guess we see something much deeper in it than is apparent on the surface.

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Whew...:p

Sorry, but it's true. I've noticed it.

Whatever you're smoking, Anarcus, you might want to stop. FFVIII is by no means horrible, but to say that there is something incredibly deep in it is patently ridiculous. Though, sure, I'll toss you a bone. Please, enlighten us as to what the something deep you all see in it is.

[Darth Anarcus]

Well, personally, the character of Ultimecia represents so much more for me than a bland character who was randomly thrown in there. Yes, I believe an R=U theory (and you'll notice that I said an R=U theory, and not the R=U theory, meaning that I have my own which has been extensively thought out and does not contradict anything stated by Square, including in the Ultimania Guide). Ultimecia represents what Rinoa has the potential to become should she use her newfound powers unwisely. Squall's quote, "Even if the entire world is against you, I will be your knight" (paraphrased), while never actually explored in the game, was intended to make us ponder what it would be like if those words came back to haunt him. Does he defend Rinoa and her evil and unethical ways, or does he stick up for what's right and turn against his true love? This is also represented by the character of mythical beast Griever, who symbolizes Squall, the "Lionheart." Is this creature Squall? Is he bound to Ultimecia because he decided to keep his promise and fight along side her for unjust causes? Or did he turn against her, and did she not let him go and somehow imprison him, altering him into "the most powerful GF in his mind," bound by his promise he kept all those years ago?

Not only that, but for me--and you can call me cheesy if you'd like--I see lots Christological imagery throughout the entire thing, which I'm sure was unintentional. Your entire party is the collective Christ figure, where each character symbolizes a different virtue of Christ (Squall being courage, Rinoa being purity, etc.). In other words, they all make up the Body of Christ, or the Church. However, the members of the Church are not perfect, but have their weaknesses, like we see in the characters. Rinoa as an angel is important, because I see Ultimecia as the devil. And since I believe my own R=U theory, the imagery of a fallen angel works perfectly. Since each character represents a part of Christ, Rinoa--being purity--is "crucified" to Adel's chest--Adel, being an evil sorceress of the past, represents all the sins of the world--thus creating the image of the perfect Christ taking our sins upon himself. The team's plunge into the Time-Compressed World and Ultimecia's castle immediately thereafter is like the decent into Hades. And finally, Squall's "resurrection" at the end, after nearly losing his mind--remember that each character is a part of Christ, so it works that not the same one who was cruficied is the one that resurrects, since they are all the collective Christ figure--obviously represents the Resurrection. And the clouds parting and Time Compression being destroyed represents the curse being lifted from the world.

Those are my takes on things at least.

[Ryth]

Regardless of my feelings on the game (I hate it), I highly disagree that this game is underrated. It has a pretty good fanbase for sure.

[Mirage]

I don't think it's underrated at all. There are tons of people who like it.

[Ryushikaze]

Well, personally, the character of Ultimecia represents so much more for me than a bland character who was randomly thrown in there. Yes, I believe an R=U theory (and you'll notice that I said an R=U theory, and not the R=U theory, meaning that I have my own which has been extensively thought out and does not contradict anything stated by Square, including in the Ultimania Guide). Ultimecia represents what Rinoa has the potential to become should she use her newfound powers unwisely. Squall's quote, "Even if the entire world is against you, I will be your knight" (paraphrased), while never actually explored in the game, was intended to make us ponder what it would be like if those words came back to haunt him. Does he defend Rinoa and her evil and unethical ways, or does he stick up for what's right and turn against his true love? This is also represented by the character of mythical beast Griever, who symbolizes Squall, the "Lionheart." Is this creature Squall? Is he bound to Ultimecia because he decided to keep his promise and fight along side her for unjust causes? Or did he turn against her, and did she not let him go and somehow imprison him, altering him into "the most powerful GF in his mind," bound by his promise he kept all those years ago?

Not only that, but for me--and you can call me cheesy if you'd like--I see lots Christological imagery throughout the entire thing, which I'm sure was unintentional. Your entire party is the collective Christ figure, where each character symbolizes a different virtue of Christ (Squall being courage, Rinoa being purity, etc.). In other words, they all make up the Body of Christ, or the Church. However, the members of the Church are not perfect, but have their weaknesses, like we see in the characters. Rinoa as an angel is important, because I see Ultimecia as the devil. And since I believe my own R=U theory, the imagery of a fallen angel works perfectly. Since each character represents a part of Christ, Rinoa--being purity--is "crucified" to Adel's chest--Adel, being an evil sorceress of the past, represents all the sins of the world--thus creating the image of the perfect Christ taking our sins upon himself. The team's plunge into the Time-Compressed World and Ultimecia's castle immediately thereafter is like the decent into Hades. And finally, Squall's "resurrection" at the end, after nearly losing his mind--remember that each character is a part of Christ, so it works that not the same one who was cruficied is the one that resurrects, since they are all the collective Christ figure--obviously represents the Resurrection. And the clouds parting and Time Compression being destroyed represents the curse being lifted from the world.

Those are my takes on things at least.

Oh, that's Exegesis. That's Exegesis up the yin-yang. I'm sure if anything like that was in any way relevant to the plot, they might have mentioned it in the Ultimania.

But to address the R=U, just... no. Rinoa is mortal, even as a sorceress. There is not, and will never be sufficient evidence to support the R=U claim (any of them) without some massive retcons to FF8.

[enigma1234]

FFVIII best FF for now for its story..... lets see if FF14 deserves a compliment.

[Nightmare of darkness]

i dont know if any one knows but there are 2 sekret islands called island closased to hell, and island closesed to heven

[Anime Snave]

I must say that at first I was majorly dissapointed with the game but did learn to enjoy it as I got further into it. I cannot compare it to FF7as I have not played it but I prefer FF8 than FFX and FFX-2. Yeah the graphics are out dated but the whole concept behind it is perfect and definitely underated in my opinion!!

Yeah thos islands really did help me before I beat the final boss! They were perfect to raise Selphie! Im gnna hafta pick this game up again and have a play. Its quality!


(WH00P MY FIRST POST ON THESE FORUMS!)

-Dale/Anime-

[Darth Anarcus]

But to address the R=U, just... no. Rinoa is mortal, even as a sorceress. There is not, and will never be sufficient evidence to support the R=U claim (any of them) without some massive retcons to FF8.

Like I said, I have my own R=U theory, which doesn't rely on Rinoa living forever. I know she's mortal, and again, like I said, it in no way conflicts with the information Square has provided us with. Remember Adel's prison? It has to do with something like that.

[Aemilius Blight]

I don't really understand how it's possible in any way for Rinoa to be Ultimecia. I mean, on the way to Ultimecia's time you fight a host of sorceresses. If there are sorceresses between Rinoa and Ultimecia, that means it's impossible for them to be the same person as Rinoa would have already given up her powers to a successor.

This is all kind of off topic though. Maybe someone should make a new thread.

[Darth Anarcus]

But nowhere in the game does it ever say that there can be only one sorceress existing at a time. In fact, the tutorial says that the number of sorceresses in the world is not known. And let's not forget that Edea, followed by Rinoa who inherits her powers, exist while Adel is yet alive.

And it's also never stated that the sorceresses you fight are the ones who exist between Rinoa and Ultimecia's lifetimes. Time is being compressed, so they could be from throughout the history of the world.

[Rocket Edge]

I think IX is more underrated than VIII will ever be, however i do think that VIII is a little underrated towards VII. VIII is by out & far the best FF IMO.

[Vivisteiner]

All final fantasy games are underrated!

IX is definately more underrated than VIII.

FFVIII is a great game, but just a bit too easy.

i dont know if any one knows but there are 2 sekret islands called island closased to hell, and island closesed to heven

The islands of loads of magic.

I've noticed that really smart people who are deep thinkers tend to enjoy FF8. I guess we see something much deeper in it than is apparent on the surface.

lol. How did ya get that?

[Darth Anarcus]

Er, because most of the people I've met that enjoy it seem to be smarter. And the explainations I've provided.

[f f freak]

So essentially what you're saying is "AnY1Z dat does not totzally lurve dis Game is da Stoopid!!!" am I right?