underrated!

[Ryushikaze]

"Prove this. Prove that." I see no need to prove this part to you. You need to calm down and stop taking this so heatedly.

I'm not taking this heatedly. I am simply holding you to a standard- which I hold everyone to- you are not as of yet reaching.

Calm yourself. It's just a string of postulates based on a theme that I and many people saw in the game. Again, explaining the how is difficult and probably impossible, so all we are left with are postulates. Of course we can't prove these. You see, Final Fantasy in general is very open-ended, leaving plenty of room for us to use our imaginations to fill in the rest. That is exactly what I'm doing here.

So write a fanfic. Do not insist that there is something where there is not.

But how do we know that her powers leaking have any connection to her body being suspended, or not suspended? It seems to be implied that her mind still worked, so perhaps the activity of her powers were connected with that rather than her body.

The Mind is not a distinct entity from the body. The mind is in fact wholly dependent on the body. That she can even think shows that the prison is not actual stasis.

I'm not dodging the question. I never said anything about "guardian powers." Not once. Never said the knight is granted any power, but that the sorceress has power of the knight. Big difference.

I never said you said that. I said, quote "Sorcerer/Knight gives them powers" in reference to your claim that the sorceress had amazing special powers over her knight. Which you have again failed to substantiate. And actually, yes, you did say something about 'guardian powers', specificially "I think of the relationship between a sorceress and her knight to be similar to that of a summoner and her guardian in FFX, in that special bonds--love being the most obvious--gives her more power over her knight."- So, unless the mention of Summoner's guardians is a complete red herring, their inclusion implies a similar power structure.

Again, it's just an idea. I have openly admitted time and time again that I cannot prove these things, so why are we still going on about this?

Because you are trying to say that, as part of your "beneath the surface" story, it is part of FFVIII.

Yes, until it was proven otherwise. Rinoa being Ultimecia obviously cannot be proven, but from what I have seen it cannot be entirely disproven, either. Yes, there are problems with it, but it leaves it in mystery. And there is where imagination comes into play.

It doesn't have to be disproven if there isn't evidence one in favor of it being true.

RPGs are created for us to use our brains.;)

That's no excuse to claim validity for your fanfiction.

*smacks face* That's what I meant! When people explain philosophical things, their wording is not always literal, you know. Rinoa has the potential to become everything that Ultimecia is, and that is why I chose to use the term "an Ultimecia."

No, you chose the term because you're scrambling for a connection. It is not otherwise necessary. Rinoa also has the potential to become everything that Adel is, or any of the other mad sorceresses in the past. Ulti is hardly special in the 'gone mad' department.

Calm down, dude. Seriously! This is a video game discussion! It's not like I'm claiming that your mother had an affair with your uncle or anything.

No, but you ARE violating parsimony, Occam's razor, and the scientific method, and I take that nearly as seriously.

What I'm trying to say is that this whole things can be ripped to shreds, but it cannot be 100% disproven. I am also encouraging you to use your imaginations! It's a wonderful thing.

And I'M saying that the whole thing needs to be PROVEN before it counts. I'm also not saying to not use your imagination. I'm saying keep it in fanfiction where it belongs, instead of trying to rewrite the game.

What I'm making a big deal of is the challenge to use your imagination.;)

No, what you were making a big deal out of was the common worry of the Power of Hyne driving a sorceress mad and the duty of her knight to keep her from going mad or taking her down should she go mad. Your above about imagination is simply a red herring.

I shall say this again simply. I am not against using your imagination with regards to a story, but A: admit it is fanfiction and B: do not try and claim that your fanfiction makes the original story any deeper. It doesn't. It as a whole may be far deeper than the original, but it does not actually change the original story any more than that SquallX Bahamut Yaoi fic over there does.