"it is constant in a vacuum"

Indeed, but the public perception of science embraces all reality, and hence, it has become quasi-religious. Light, per se, does not hold constant, relativism does have limits. Much like stimulating demand in an economy via the AD curve. Sure it works but it has its limits.

"only in Euripedes version i believe"

You are very erudite in your understanding. Yes, yes it demonstrated that even rationally sound people were capable of vengeance. Jason's mockery is not to be taken lightly at all.

A police officer once attended a crime scene where the enraged wife had placed her child in a frying pan due to her husbands infidelity .... these myths are very dark, and very true.

"As inventors work is based on previous advances it is plausible that two people would work on similar ideas at the same time independently, eg Darwin and Wallace"

Yep, Darwin and Wallace were children of Malthusianism. A theory of his design is expected. The Greeks suggested that Humans evolved from fish. And Democritus set the scene for the atom. Yes, yes ... how we scientists forget the philosophers - for their insights provide the means of our labour. Mathematics, another child of philosophy has little regard for its parent. Yet we grab onto the ideas of writers and philosophers everyday without being cognizant i.e. the big-bang was devloped not by a scientist but a writer.


"Strange as in coincidence, sure. But it doesn't mean anything. Human beings are good at finding patterns even when no underlying cause exists. It's a survival trait. Not every pattern is an indication of something significant.

To claim that some otherworldly force had something to do with the inventions of these people takes credit away from two resourceful and intelligent people who probably deserve it."


Never said that. Just that myth was a mode of description. it is our core. myths appear everywhere.

Somebody denying myth is about as good as an evangelist denying natural evolution. We have polarized our knowledge bases.

Scientist: Logical, reproducible, real

Priest: irrational, fictional, myth

Yet, two striking contradictions are ever present: Scientist, inspired inventor and Priest, leader of humanity.

Humanity is real, inspiration is not ... it comes from the mind.

"Surely the life of a person who can't otherwise conceive a child is improved when science enables it. Surely the child itself who would otherwise never have been born would be grateful. If you think life is not improved by science, feel free to live as our ancestors did. I don't think you'll have time for posting in this thread though, you'll be too busy trying not to starve to death, and probably dead before you're 30. Unless you believe astrology can provide you with a computer."

Big assumptions here ... people lived into their 80's in the past. In fact Jeanne Clement smoked and contradicted medicine to live until 122. Your Gaussian rhetoric tries to fit the bell curve on everything. Plain and simple.

In the past we might have been out on adventure, rather than wasting precious fossil fuels on internet chat.

And, astrology is a computer. Your knowledge of Megalithic achievement is lacking. Also see the Aztec predictions of downfall.



"You're free not to believe in medicine. I wouldn't place bets on your outliving someone who does. You can deny reality all you want, but reality has a way of being real whether you care about it or not.

I don't believe in astrology because it's bunk. It's wishful thinking."


Indeed I am. Most of our drugs are hijacked from native people. 90% of the world still relies on herbal medicine ... it is only the protestant countries that typically hack and slash with a few catholic nations. Besides, the Chinese have achieved the longest life span without modern medicine and it ain’t much worse than in the west.


Anyhow, What about CANCER OOPS. That just collapsed your modern hypothesis.



Please post some more, but not: people died younger then and they didn't know about cancer. Well, here’s the news .... the oldest living people aren't in the west so there.

Also, lifespans were affected by industralism and science read Simon Kuznets or look up Phossy Jaw !!!! (a condition from working in the match stick industry)




Cheers.