Quote Originally Posted by pencoin View Post
and its possiable to get utilm wepon be4 twtnw because primo moogle and energy crystal make d count to 2 orchilam +
No, it's not. You ALWAYS need seven Orichalcum+. The original cost of the Ultima Weapon is 13. Energy Crystals only reduce the cost to half, rounded up. Primo Moogle does nothing.