Cloud Strife, like channel five.
Squall Leonheart, will pull Cloud apart.
It could go either way.
Squall would win because if your jughing by attack power from within the games, it's a proven fact that Squall's Renzokuken+Lionheart takes a hell of a lot more damage than Omnislash. Hell Zell's limit break can do more damage that Omnislash depending how many hits you get off. Squall would beat the hell out of cloud. And I don't have nothing against Cloud. It's a fact.
So you're sayiong that Renzokuken takes away a larger precentage of the enemies' health than Omnislash? A valid argument that I do't want to acknowledge, but you should realize that math is universal, so 9999from FFVII is still the same as 9999 in FFVIII. So it's really all about who gets to us trhe LB first, really. And since Squall can't get a Limit Break unless he's low on health, Cloiut would win. Observe:Originally Posted by TyphoonThaReapa
Squall attacks Cloud. Cloud's LB fills up a little. Cloud heals. Repeat until Cloud gets his LB. Cloud uses Omnislash on Squall. Squall dies.
So long as Cloud can heal himself, he'll be fine. Cloud can equip the Safety Bit to prevent Death or a Ribbon to prevent abnormal statuses (or some added effect materia paired with Poison, Destrucct, Seal materia etc) and he'll be nearly invincable. Sqall can junction some spells, but he can't cover as many areas as Cloud.
Also, Cloud can start off with Knights of the Round if your going by game Mechanics.
REally, we shouldn't judge by game mechanics, but story, as Game MEchanics dictate that Eiko would win agains just about everyone. Low level until you get MArcus. Kill everyone but Marcus and work him until 99. Get Eiko, having level 99 stats at a low level, and proceeding to grow rediculously stronger. And against squall, just have her throw Dark Matter, game over. Eiko wins.
Cloud, because if you give Squall junctions you must give Cloud materia otherwise you are being unfair, and honestly I think Materia>Junctions. If you don't give Squall junction he isn't very strong, so then Cloud.
You can't really use battle mechanics to decide who would win. After all, things such as and Holy Wars and Final Attack-Phoenix make it so basically neither can die.
Stat wise, I'm not certain what their highest possible stats are, but I think that someone said that Cloud has slightly better beginning stats in the beginning of the game. Now, this doesn't mean Cloud will definitely win though. After all, bosses can have better stats than you, but it's still possible to beat them, even without the outnumbering advantage you have over them.
In Limit Breaks, Squall does have a slight advantage here, since Lionheart > Omnislash. Though, this probably doesn't matter, since Lionheart isn't 100% possible, and they both only have 9999 HP anyways.
In battle mechanics, it's basically a tie.
The only other way to judge them is by their character, and what you know about them in FFVII and FFVIII. Cloud was an ex-SOLDIER, a group of elite fighters. Squall was in SeeD, a group of elite fighters as well. Cloud and party beats Sephiroth, Squall and party beats Ultimecia. And etc. Since people might not really think about this enough, they will most likely just vote for whoever they like better.
By the way, you shouldn't use Advent Children to determine Cloud's power. After all, there is still no way anybody could probably get shot in the face without barely a scratch on them. And we don't know if Squall could be just as good, or better than Cloud in a movie like AC.
I'd like to point out how flawed your ideas about bosses are. Dispite having high stats Bosses usually cannot do 100,000+ damage in one move, and cannot use an elixer to fully heal themselves whenever they feel like it.
That's what I'm trying to say about Cloud and Squall. Even though Cloud has better stats, it still doesn't mean he will definitely win.I'd like to point out how flawed your ideas about bosses are. Dispite having high stats Bosses usually cannot do 100,000+ damage in one move, and cannot use an elixer to fully heal themselves whenever they feel like it.
No, no, no! You don't get what I'm saying! What I'm saying is you brought up beating bosses dispite them having better stats then you. What you don't get is thats because the bosses have limitations, so bringing that up us stupid. For example, if Ozma used Meteor every turn like a human would, the party would inevitably lose, over, and over. So the talk you say about bosses has no affect on Cloud, and Squall. (Not to mention often you can easily have better stats then a boss)That's what I'm trying to say about Cloud and Squall. Even though Cloud has better stats, it still doesn't mean he will definitely win.I'd like to point out how flawed your ideas about bosses are. Dispite having high stats Bosses usually cannot do 100,000+ damage in one move, and cannot use an elixer to fully heal themselves whenever they feel like it.
He doesn't take a bullet directly. He jerks his head back and the bullet mostly rickashe's off the goggles. And normal people also cant swing a massive sword like that over their head, or summon up large dragons, or fall unconcious into a stream of water and not suffocate. Or really anything these people do, in game and movie. Both are a legitamate source.
1- It's spelled ricochet, I believe.
2- It wasn't water, it was the Lifestream.
3- Swinging a sword over your head is a matter of strength and skill. The average person can't do it, but a skilled person can.
4- In addition to the above, I'd also like to add that a normal person would probably suffer severe side effects from being injected with foreign (especially extraterrestrial) cells.
5- I'm sure a simple bullet to the head wouldn't kill Squall either. And I believe AC should be counted.
I got the feelign you couldn't breath in the lifestream though, jsut like in water. And to swing the sword like he does? Thats just plain raw power and skill right there. That would take a lot of muscle. Barret might have the strenght, but cloud didn't seem that beefy to me.
That does leave me with a question though. Why do the give the huge towering mass of power a gun, and a scrawny little blonde guy the sword? Shouldn't it be the other way around?
Cloud's got something Barret doesn't - Jenova cells. And mako energy therapy.
Two things, then...
Cloud's sword might be lighter than it seems. If it was made of steel, then it'd be unfeasibly heavy. However, it's clearly not steel since it can slice or shatter reinforced concrete without taking a ding.
The Lifestream's made of energy, or something plasma-ish, I'd wager. Tifa and Cloud both manage to surivive in it. Besides, the FFVII world appears to contain some fluids that can be breathed safely - like whatever's in those canisters that Cloud, Zack and Vincent were trapped inside during Shinra's experiments.
Cloud's got the sword 'cause Barret doesn't need to compensate for anything.
I say Cloud for reasons I'm going to keep a mystery. I am full of mystery like that.
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