Zidane > Squall & Cloud

[the_sandman]

i agree, zidane is the most underrated main character. he needs more shine. go to www.trueswords.com...you will see how they got clouds buster sword, tidus's water sword, squalls gunblade, sephiroth's long sword, and guess whose sword is missing out of all these. you guessed it...not one pair of daggers or double end sword.

[FallenAngel411]

Well, my opinion is that Cloud, Squall, Zidane, and Tidus are all awesome! None of them have ever annoyed me at all! In fact I LUV THEM! AND I WILL LOVE VAAN TOO! THAT IS MY OPINION! GRR ARGH >:3

[Michael Belmont]

I think what it really comes down to is that people want to follow both Cloud and Squall, and say so many times in the games. The main character is also often viewed as the "leader", and as the main character a very wide-range of responses, backstory, and problems can make them much more interesting.

I mean, would people follow Squall in real life? I don't know... Is it more unbelievable than Cid handing over an entire Garden of students to a 17-year-old? Sometimes, these things are just the plot they wanted to make.

And where on earth is Tidus in all this? Tidus is just Zidane without the mental breakdown when he finds out about himself. In fact, he just got up and smiled and kept going and bottled it inside. By your standards, Tidus > Zidane. Although Yuna was the leader and not Tidus in my opinion anyway.

They all save the world (assuming the player doesn't die), so in essence they all do the job they are given with the personalities they have. They're all winners when it comes down to it. If you disagree, and your stance is that Cloud and Squall are just incompetent, then I suppose the people who follow them are the people truly deserving of a rant.

Oh come on saying Yuna is the leader and not Tidus will only make you a summoner geek and Tidus is the warrior/knight type and a star player so when a lead male came in first then he's the leader see? Well i like the four of them you are missing the warrior/knight from the 1st one Firion Luneth Cecil Bartz and Locke.

[Roto13]

Yuna is the leader of that group. She decides what to do, the entire journey is about her. She's not the main character (until X-2) but she is the leader.

[the_sandman]

oh and tidus, squall, and cloud are all in kingdom hearts!..hmmm i wonder whose missing. oh yea, thats right. it always gotta be zidane. even wakka and selphie is in it. oh and we know sephiroth HAS to be in it. (even though kuja was a better villain)

[Michael Belmont]

You wanna start something? Don't start with me roto the game dosen't say she is the leader okay?

[boys from the dwarf]

not neccasarily. zidane being better than the two of them is a lot to do with opinion.

squall is deep and has a great personality and really makes you think about a few things. replay FF8 and actually pay attention to squalls personality. you'll fins hes a great character.

cloud doesnt have as much as squall going personality wise but has a great part in the storyline. hes just a good character.

zidane. likeable and an amazing part on terra and hes a strong leader with a lot of personality but isn't neccasarily better than cloud and squall.

you cant really start a thread like this because thats your opinion.

and yuna pretty much is the leader because shes the summoner and the most important one in the group and the others are just her gaurdians. by most important i mean, the one they all protect and look after so she doesnt exactly lead the group but she is the most important.

[Michael Belmont]

(sighs) We are asked to play nice right? Well guys let's claim Yuna's the leader again okay see the real leader is Auron see he leads like Gandalf from the lord of the rings.

[Miriel]

You wanna start something? Don't start with me roto the game dosen't say she is the leader okay?

Michael Belmont, you've already been warned about this. Don't antagonize people for having a different opinion than your own.

[Michael Belmont]

Well i'm not the one who started it. And besides he won't respect my opinions claiming i don't have any.

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

Well i'm not the one who started it. And besides he won't respect my opinions claiming i don't have any.

Michael, knock it off. If you can't accept that people disagree with you, then you won't last here much longer. People are dissenting your opinion, as I myself do because I personally would say you are, in most cases, very much wrong. I won't say you are the sole instigator, but you do go out of your way to antagonize anybody who doesn't agree with you. If I see much more of it, I will ban you.

[Michael Belmont]

You don't agree with me ether. FINE ban me then i'm sick and tired of your obsessons with Terra and taking the side of someone who hates me YOU SON OF A BITCH.

[Forsaken Lover]

oh and tidus, squall, and cloud are all in kingdom hearts!..hmmm i wonder whose missing. oh yea, thats right. it always gotta be zidane. even wakka and selphie is in it. oh and we know sephiroth HAS to be in it. (even though kuja was a better villain)

One of the numerous reasons I despise the KH series. Though, I would figre they’re dead-on with Lance Bass voicing Sephiroth. Fits him very well.

squall is deep and has a great personality and really makes you think about a few things. replay FF8 and actually pay attention to squalls personality. you'll fins hes a great character.

Don’t have it at the moment. And I have played it through at least five times. Same for every FF I’ve beaten. I enjoy replaying. And my observations never changed. We have Squall, broody and silent, suddenly given development on Disc 2 with his tossing and turning in bed. Now, that would have been appropriate earlier, but they needed to do something about how amazingly bare his personality was and thus, they forced more character onto us. Then, Disc 3 displays his mad love for Rinoa. His desperate desire to save her. So, two revelations of his inner-character are appearing from nowhere and shoved down our throats. Squall is the epitome of emo - the world sucks...so I’ll be an ass to the world - and he represents this at numerous points. His small argument with Rinoa on Disc 1, his little outburst on Disc 2 when he’s told to inspire the Garden.

Thus this all displays how totally inadequit he is for a leadership role. Antisocial emoness resulting from fear, hating leadership and responsibility also resulting from fear. His character is not a leader in any means of the word except the story TELLS you he is. One of the main failings of the game.

His great personality is only made great through awkward scenes that come out of nowhere with no previous hints or clues. It was timed poorly and delivered more poorly still.

And Cloud...well, his stoic “I’m a badass” attitude was similarly regurgitated upon the gamer in the elevator where he tells the Planet and Barret to go F themselves. He’s just in it for the money. Ooh, now that’s never been done before.

[Bolivar]

oh and tidus, squall, and cloud are all in kingdom hearts!..hmmm i wonder whose missing. oh yea, thats right. it always gotta be zidane. even wakka and selphie is in it. oh and we know sephiroth HAS to be in it. (even though kuja was a better villain)

One of the numerous reasons I despise the KH series. Though, I would figre they’re dead-on with Lance Bass voicing Sephiroth. Fits him very well.

squall is deep and has a great personality and really makes you think about a few things. replay FF8 and actually pay attention to squalls personality. you'll fins hes a great character.

Don’t have it at the moment. And I have played it through at least five times. Same for every FF I’ve beaten. I enjoy replaying. And my observations never changed. We have Squall, broody and silent, suddenly given development on Disc 2 with his tossing and turning in bed. Now, that would have been appropriate earlier, but they needed to do something about how amazingly bare his personality was and thus, they forced more character onto us. Then, Disc 3 displays his mad love for Rinoa. His desperate desire to save her. So, two revelations of his inner-character are appearing from nowhere and shoved down our throats. Squall is the epitome of emo - the world sucks...so I’ll be an ass to the world - and he represents this at numerous points. His small argument with Rinoa on Disc 1, his little outburst on Disc 2 when he’s told to inspire the Garden.

Thus this all displays how totally inadequit he is for a leadership role. Antisocial emoness resulting from fear, hating leadership and responsibility also resulting from fear. His character is not a leader in any means of the word except the story TELLS you he is. One of the main failings of the game.

His great personality is only made great through awkward scenes that come out of nowhere with no previous hints or clues. It was timed poorly and delivered more poorly still.

And Cloud...well, his stoic “I’m a badass” attitude was similarly regurgitated upon the gamer in the elevator where he tells the Planet and Barret to go F themselves. He’s just in it for the money. Ooh, now that’s never been done before.

i disagree. But the quote here does reveal the main fault of FF8, that the story tells you that it is this way so you have to deal with it.

But Squall was a soldier, and nothing more because he didn't want to get his mind involved in different things. He didn't care about anyone's feelings, he only knew the mission and how to get the job done. This is he type of person you want commanding you if you were ever to go to war. So although he may not have been the best main character, he was a great leader.

Cloud's a different story. I'm not sure what was meant when the threadstarter said Sephiroth moved out of the way. Cloud was impaled by Sephiroth... and when it looked like it was all over he lifted the "legendary soldier" and hurled him into the depths of the Mako Reactor. Cloud's will was stronger than Sephiroth's. That's what drives the storyline. Cloud didn't become the leader until they left Midgar, and this is because he was the only one who knew exactly what journey they were on, whatt they needed to accomplish, and how to do it. He was the only successful Sephiroth clone. He was the only one who could fulfill (and topple) Sephiroth's plan, and the legendary SOLDIER knew this. This is why Cloud arrived in Midgar around the same time "1" did. It's also why Sephiroth told him he was a defacto clone.

Cloud was also a great main character because he was used in the worst way, as an experiment, by Shinra Inc., then used again by Sephiroth, someone he hated the most, and someone he had once admired greatly.

Alot of people can relate to being used by others, and almost all the characters in the game represent that. It's what you do afterwards that defines you, and that's one of the greatest messages the game has to offer the player, and why 7 has possibly the greatest story in the series. Cloud didn't end up all okay in the head afterwards, but that's okay, because that's how people are in real life. He was possibly the first "real" protagonist in the series.

I think Zidane is a great character as well, but he's not really the leader until the end. The characters made decisions as a group during the whole game (alot like FFVI), and went against eachothers decisions like when Garnet and Steiner sneak away to go back to stop the Queen.

[Forsaken Lover]

Cloud's a different story. I'm not sure what was meant when the threadstarter said Sephiroth moved out of the way. Cloud was impaled by Sephiroth... and when it looked like it was all over he lifted the "legendary soldier" and hurled him into the depths of the Mako Reactor. Cloud's will was stronger than Sephiroth's. That's what drives the storyline.

You don't know what a retcon is, do you? It means new material is taken as canon while all previous material is no longer what happened. Last Order retconed that scene. The "official" word now is that Seph jumped into the Reactor.