Yoda vs. Gandalf, who is the king of all GOOD?

[theundeadhero]

Gandalf isn't even really a life form. He's one of three gaurdians the Valar sent to watch over their creation and guide it. His magic comes from the divination of the gods. Yoda is a lifeform and capable of manipulating the force, which is basically magic. Yoda would win.

Yoda might have been duped by Palpatine's show, but Gandalf was just as blind to Suaramon's unwillingness to do anything about the ring because he had been studying it for his own personal gain for years and years and years.

[daggertrepe]

Yoda.

[Miriel]

Gandalf isn't even really a life form. He's one of three gaurdians the Valar sent to watch over their creation and guide it. His magic comes from the divination of the gods. Yoda is a lifeform and capable of manipulating the force, which is basically magic. Yoda would win.

Well that's not really correct. The Valar were the ones who were sent by Eru (god) to watch over and govern the earth. Gandalf was a Maiar, a helper of the Valar. Gandalf was lesser in strength and power than the Valar, but his powers and more importantly, his wisdom were his own. When he was sent by the Valar to aid the humans and the elves in their struggle against Sauron, his power was bound to his physical body. So yeah, he was a real life form. As real as Sauron was. Anyway. And here's a tidbit: the union of a Maiar and an Elf was what eventually led to the birth of Arwen.

Yoda might have been duped by Palpatine's show, but Gandalf was just as blind to unwillingness to do anything about the ring because he had been studying it for his own personal gain for years and years and years.

Noooo, that was Saruman. Gandalf's main weakness was his propensity for believing the good in people. Which was what blinded him to Saruman's treachery.

*nerd*

[Tavrobel]

Gandalf is isn't even really a life form, called a Maiar. He's one of three gaurdians five "Wizards" (all Maiar) that the Valar sent to watch over their creation and guide it the lands of M-E and keep an eye on Sauron and aid in his defeat. His magic comes from the divination of the gods the ignorant second race that claims it is magic, when it is merely a manipulation of nature. Yoda is a lifeform and capable of manipulating the force, which is basically magic. Yoda would win.

Yoda might have been duped by Palpatine's show, but Gandalf was just as blind to Suaramon's Saruman's unwillingness to do anything about the ring because he had been studying it for his own personal gain for years and years and years.

Fixed.

[Psychotic]

Using the fixed version...

Yoda might have been duped by Palpatine's show, but Gandalf was just as blind to Suaramon's Saruman's unwillingness to do anything about the ring because he had been studying it for his own personal gain for years and years and years.

The fall of the entire Republic and the slaughter of the Jedi is a bigger cock up than allowing Isengard to rise, as Isengard failed to even defeat Rohan.

His magic comes from the ignorant second race that claims it is magic, when it is merely a manipulation of nature

I've never heard of his magic being called a "manipulation of nature". In fact, I'd always been led to believe that he was capable of magic using spells and incantations. Where'd you get that from, if you don't mind me asking?

[Resha]

Gandalf. Goly smurf. But of course.

[Christmas]

Yoda cause he is green. :oscar:

[NorthernChaosGod]

Yoda. He could handle a sword better than Gandalf can, and Yoda's lightsaber just pwns.

Raoul Duke, because if I remember correctly that is what the filter always changes Chu ck Nor ris to

Chuck Norris.

Just checking.

[Quindiana Jones]

The world only has a few laws. Gravity being the most well known. Another one is: "Anything short and green is amazing."

Using the laws of the world, I have deduced that Yoda wins, even though Gandalf is also uber-good.

[Tavrobel]

I've never heard of his magic being called a "manipulation of nature". In fact, I'd always been led to believe that he was capable of magic using spells and incantations. Where'd you get that from, if you don't mind me asking?

In an explanation of the Elves having "magic powers," it was said by Men that the Elves could use magic powers. However, the Elves knew how to do it all the time.

In one example, the Galadrim cloaks hide the company often in the books. And most of the time, it was to manipulate the view of nature of others to not see them (unfriendly eyes) when used. Magic in this case is used passively. Most of the instances of Magic have not been said to have been accompanied by words, but I will admit it is possible, even if I personally find it skeptical.

I'll even admit that there are some exceptions, but the only exception I've been able to find is in the movie of the Fellowship, in which we hear Saruman getting the will of Caradhras to wake up and get in the Fellowship's way, and Gandalf attempts to stop it by saying to the mountain "go back to sleep." I'm not sure if in the book it also mentions that Saruman was also involved, or if it was the mountain itself. Gandalf and Saruman appear (note the key word, appear) to be in control of the situation, while Boromir is just going crazy. Aragorn, I would presume has already seen this kind of stuff, and we don't see Legolas' reaction.

[XandrewX]

[quote=Tavrobel;1894056]Technically, Gandalf's biggest fight was probably during the last battles of Beleriand, where the Maiar were instructed to destroy Angband and restrain Melkor. Gandalf may kill Durin's Bane, but he also dies (and is sent back by the Valar). His power requires that a staff be used, as compared to Yoda, whose skills are always there; he only uses a Lightsaber to defend himself against another Lightsaber.

Yoda gets to fight Palpatine, but he also dies of natural causes, and despite that, he can still exist because of Qui Gonn's revelations. In this case, the Force would overpower Gandalf's abilities, since in both the movies and the books, his ability to use Magic is restrained by the Valar, not that he uses it at any other point in his history, since Magic as we know it does not technically exist in M-E. However, as a celestial spirit, the powers of Gandalf are as of yet, unknown in their fullest.quote]

agree..totally...Yoda..

[I Am Stoner]

Yoda is green and looks like a ickle: and I need no other reason then that.

This is what I was going to say.

[Polaris]

Yoda is amazing I love the way he talks and he's green and fluffy, kutchi kutchi ^^

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

I personally always liked Yoda. Small, green, wise and interesting word ordering.

[Laugh at face of Danger]

i would have voted gandalf the tartan, but he wasn't there so white will have to do.