Quote Originally Posted by Ryushikaze View Post
It's reasonable that they jump to that conclusion. It is not reasonable that they try and make their assumption, their positive assertion, into fact.
But... Isn't that what you're doing? Why can't people just share POVs instead of saying their's is 'what actually happened' or 'your POV is ridiculous' compared to mine. As you said, it's reasonable, but BOTH are reasonable. There's no need to reasonable arguement here accept intolerance. Remember how we discussed "Eden"?


Gonna have to kibosh that and tell you that when I saw it, I thought he was at most comatose, and was just passed out from sheer exhaustion.
Again, that's just YOUR secular POV on the scene. Others have theirs. Your view is NOT superior to those that are different and does not give you the right to say other views are wrong or put a "Kibosh" on anything. You have no more supporting evidence than they do for this scene in a fantasy. There are those who will say they thought he was 'dead' versus 'fainted'. It doesn't matter. There's no need for opposition.


If you're talking about the "Squall was a hallucination" argument, oi. That's a grand deciever argument, and those fail by default, I'm afraid. It makes for decent fanfiction, but as an attempt to unravel the truth, it's rather useless.
I don't even want to get into that, but that's why I think it's time we let bygone's be bygone's about this. Some say hallucination, some say Time Compression Unravelling, some say Squall trying to find something to hang onto to escape Time Compression... I find that none are superior to the other only 'favorable'. And for some reason because people have different views of the interpretation of this event they argure or 'debate' with others that disagree with their favorable conclusion. It's gotta stop. Let them see/be what they see/be.


[quote]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mwqgUJeQNs


Actually, when I saw her hugging, I was reminded of the tight embracing of one who one has just recovered something very dear to them, like my mother once did after I was climbing a tree and the branch I was on broke, and I managed to get out of the situation unharmed.
AGAIN, that's just YOU and so many others that have different interpretations. C'mon, Ryu, you know exactly what I meant when I made that statement, so now you're just lumping yourself against a poor generalization I made; but you know exactly what I meant. Not ALL see it the same way. They don't see it the same as you or me! But there's no reason to go about cutting up people's statements with quotes just ot outright REJECT their ideals. And that's what still all you're doing. You're not posting original statements, just direct rejection responses to parts of a post.

As you see, this is the first in a long time I've done the "Quote Qwazy" with you because I find it ridiculous and the discssion gets convoluted.
Bottomline: I've tried to summerize the views of all people that I've read that have different views and give fair view point to their reasons why.

I would appreciate it if you were to just make a post explaining your view on the scene; we already know that you don't agree with whatever anyone else says, but we DON'T know what you DO agree with... We don't know your view point.

And, I'm asking you try to refrain for the over-usage of over-priced words such as "parsimonious" and "Occam's Razor"... I'm sure there's some other layman's terms you can use that others will understand. I know you're gonna say that "these are proper terms for a debate". But...

1. This is NOT a 'debate; this is a disucssion.

2. You can not have a discussion if we're not speaking the same language.

And so, it goes that he either fainted and she realized she thought too soon, OR the Power of the Sorceress Rinoa brings them both out of Time Compression Decay and Squall alive again.
And the former is far more parsimonious.

See? There you go again. You're only speaking in favor of the interpretation of your choice and claiming it more acceptable than any other. How can you say that? I mean, really, You don't support it with a view point other than "It's what the majority of everyone else believes as well so there! No shut up with your ridiculous theories."

For me, that's like a Neo-Con saying that racism doesn't exist or things were much better back in the 'old days'. It's narrow-minded.


It's not so much a problem as it is bad in the reductionalist sense, since it adds extra unsupported terms to the explanation of the scene.
I don't see how breaking down the scene is going to 'add' anything. It's simple, he fainted or died, died and came back to life, whatever... It's fantasy; it's possible. Why can't people leave it at that? It's fantasy stop argueing amongst each other about how it ends.

Tomato/Tamato; Sky-Blue/ Sea-Green; Purple/Violet; Taste Great/Less Filling.

We're all color-blind and we gotta live with that. Some of just don't see all the same colors of the rainbow/spectrum.


No, I was focused on the scene in question from the start.
It doesn't quite seem like it... More like you're constantly referring to "Squall Stands With Rinoa" scene. We know this... It's just questionable that as he's lying there he seems to have died... or fainted. Either or. This is why it's most likely best if you POST instead of "add reply"/"quote"...


So Squall is a Pupu? Christmas will be so pleased! Seriously though, not all views are equal, though it can often be hard to tell why they are not. Not all of them can be as blatant as "so, how did they get back to Garden after the end of the game?" "Teleportation, LOL!".
Now you're just being ridiculous, and just so Christmas will not 'Deck My... uh,...Halls' I'll agree with that Pupu statement.

I see your reason for this, but I don't understand... Why does it seem so wrong that people have a different POV when their's nothing to support either side?

And I know you mean to use the statement "It's safe to assume that Balamb Garden swooped by and picked them up." as a reference to your point of how 'ridiculous' these parsimonious and unfounded claims are made... Here comes the sarcasm: "There's no evidence that Balamb Garden picked them up so it's much have been teleoportation". C'mon, Ryu, you know exactly what I mean. I'm just saying why are people argueing that their version is better than their version. Oy!


Then Ulti is either the stupidest or most intelligent insane genius I've ever met.
No, that would be Dr. Odine... G.W. Bush running second... Laguna is dead last.


It's not really about seeing it differently, it's about supporting your view with empirical backing. And, as a reductionalist, shaving away all but the simplest viable explanation.
You do realize you're talking about fantasy, right? I don't see the point of an arguement here...

Let's take the movie "Crank" for example. Guy, does some amazing things and survives impossible odds... But even at the end some people left the theatre claiming that *SPOILER* that he lived.

If you've seen the movie... Well, you can see why I wasn't gonna support this idea... I don't think he lived... But... Let them believe what they wanna. They didn't want their hero to die. They wanted their happy ending... I'm thinking: "... Ah, let 'em eat cake."

An even strong example was Future Esthar... His theories were extremely... uh... different, but when he wasn't explaining himself I asked him to... I never outright rejected his statements. I asked him to explain and refer to his source/inspiration so we can all see where he was coming from... When he couldn't do that... Well... Let 'em eat cake.

I mean, let this guy post whatever he wants, no matter how strange it is... Something might come out of it. I just want to get his POV, no argue with him.

And that's what I think everyone should do... It's just fantasy. Have fun with it.

Please post instead of reply/quote. I wanna understand where you're coming from perspective wise...