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    After watching the movie a couple of times I noticed something. Geo stigma is being infected with jenova cells. If that's the case then why is cloud infected/sick if he already has jenova cells in him because of being SOLDIER. Also sephiroth can't get infected with his own gene so how come cloud can if he is a(failed)clone? Is this a loophole in the plot or am I missing something?
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    I thought geostigma was your lifeforce's (aka the Planet's) negative reaction TO the Jenova cells. Your body tries to expel the JENOVA cells, and as a result, you get geostigma (which is why Kadaj tried to convince the kids that the Planet hated them because it was hurting them). Therefore Cloud would be a prime canidate.

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    Speaking of plot holes I think you missed the fact in FF7 that Jenova isn't Sephiroths mother.

    Yeah Shiva is right. I think...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShivaBlizzard8 View Post
    I thought geostigma was your lifeforce's (aka the Planet's) negative reaction TO the Jenova cells. Your body tries to expel the JENOVA cells, and as a result, you get geostigma (which is why Kadaj tried to convince the kids that the Planet hated them because it was hurting them). Therefore Cloud would be a prime canidate.
    Yes, or more like, it's the body's defence mechanisms and the Lifestream working too hard to remove the Jenova cells, and the overloading that keeps happening there is what causes the Geostigma. At least that's how I understood it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sephiroth1999AD View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ShivaBlizzard8 View Post
    I thought geostigma was your lifeforce's (aka the Planet's) negative reaction TO the Jenova cells. Your body tries to expel the JENOVA cells, and as a result, you get geostigma (which is why Kadaj tried to convince the kids that the Planet hated them because it was hurting them). Therefore Cloud would be a prime canidate.
    Yes, or more like, it's the body's defence mechanisms and the Lifestream working too hard to remove the Jenova cells, and the overloading that keeps happening there is what causes the Geostigma. At least that's how I understood it.
    Well, Vincent did mention to Cloud that Geostigma is caused by the overreaction of the body's defense mechanism to fight off the JENOVA cells, and therefore resulting in Geostigma.

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    hmm. people seem pretty desperate to find plot-holes for AC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malboro_Menace View Post
    Speaking of plot holes I think you missed the fact in FF7 that Jenova isn't Sephiroths mother.

    Yeah Shiva is right. I think...
    Not birth mother, yes, but her DNA is still within him, just because he wasn't conceived within...it doesn't mean she doesn't play a part in being his mother.

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    After watching the movie a couple of times I noticed something. Geo stigma is being infected with jenova cells. If that's the case then why is cloud infected/sick if he already has jenova cells in him because of being SOLDIER. Also sephiroth can't get infected with his own gene so how come cloud can if he is a(failed)clone? Is this a loophole in the plot or am I missing something?
    Geostigma is Jenova cells that have been diffused in the Lifestream. The cells act like a virus in the bloodstream of the planet. Lifestream energy is in everyone, so if the Lifestream is infected and under attack, than so is everyone else. However, it is not a physical thing that can be fought off via immune system, but the body is still trying to repel the invader it knows is there but can't really find. Thus the blackening of the skin, as the body is actually attacking itself.
    Now, keep in mind that Sephiroth has Jenova in his DNA-it is part of his being. Cloud, on the other hand, is thouroughly human. Yes, he was shot full of Jenova cells, but the normal human cells were affected and changed in the presence of the Jenova cells--different but still human. This would be known as a mutation. So Sephiroth is a human/alien half breed, but Cloud, while different, is a human. And so Cloud can be infected by Geostigma.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShivaBlizzard8 View Post
    I thought geostigma was your lifeforce's (aka the Planet's) negative reaction TO the Jenova cells. Your body tries to expel the JENOVA cells, and as a result, you get geostigma (which is why Kadaj tried to convince the kids that the Planet hated them because it was hurting them). Therefore Cloud would be a prime canidate.
    That is actually correct. As Vincent explain it to Cloud in the forest, after trying to save the kids. Vincent tells cloud that the geostigma is caused by the body as it tries to fight off "intruders", or in other words, Jenova Cells.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malboro_Menace View Post
    Speaking of plot holes I think you missed the fact in FF7 that Jenova isn't Sephiroths mother.

    Yeah Shiva is right. I think...
    Actually, (SPOILER)if you've played DoC, you find out that Lucecia (correct me if her name is spelled wrong) is Sephiroth's mother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jubjub13 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Malboro_Menace View Post
    Speaking of plot holes I think you missed the fact in FF7 that Jenova isn't Sephiroths mother.

    Yeah Shiva is right. I think...
    Actually, (SPOILER)if you've played DoC, you find out that Lucecia (correct me if her name is spelled wrong) is Sephiroth's mother.
    Actually that can be found out in FFVII itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboco View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jubjub13 View Post
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    Speaking of plot holes I think you missed the fact in FF7 that Jenova isn't Sephiroths mother.

    Yeah Shiva is right. I think...
    Actually, (SPOILER)if you've played DoC, you find out that Lucecia (correct me if her name is spelled wrong) is Sephiroth's mother.
    Actually that can be found out in FFVII itself.
    Really, where? Is it when you talk to Lucecia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jubjub13 View Post
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    Speaking of plot holes I think you missed the fact in FF7 that Jenova isn't Sephiroths mother.

    Yeah Shiva is right. I think...
    Actually, (SPOILER)if you've played DoC, you find out that Lucecia (correct me if her name is spelled wrong) is Sephiroth's mother.
    Actually that can be found out in FFVII itself.
    Really, where? Is it when you talk to Lucecia?
    Yup, in the cave where you can only go with the submarine or with the Mountain/Black/Gold chocobo.

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    ^ You find out before that. When you discover Vincent in the coffin, he tells Cloud then.

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    So, to sum up, Geostigma is like a fever - a sign, that the organism is trying to fight off the disease which, in this case, are the Jenova cells...

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