If Tifa and Aerith fought...

[Ryushikaze]

Repeat after me: Wikipedia is not a source.

Stop insulting Wikipedia and deny the statement. You didn't deny it, because you know it's true. Your only defense is the claim that Wikipedia doesn't verify its articles, which it does. Try making a spam thread and see how long it lasts. Wikipedia clearly states that it uses, among other sources, Final Fantasy VII Ultimania Ω, as evidence. Your arguments are easier to kill than Aeris.

Actually, Wiki isn't a good source because anyone can edit it, and it's hardly authoritative. And when the CANON disagrees, well, I chuckle even further at attempting to employ it.

You're right, you never said Bugen was a Cetra. Therefore, you brought up a totally useless point, as only Cetra can use the White Materia. My mistake.

You have yet to prove your- Holy=Cetra only argument, by the by. It's also not useless, as it runs counter to your claim that only the Cetra may hear the planet.

Repeat note regarding claiming Wikipedia is wrong, and not denying my statement because it's true. Please dig out your copy of FFVII (judging by your arguments, it hasn't been used in a long time), and try to equip the White Materia on somebody. What's that? You can't? Didn't think so. Also, if I remember correctly, you, Ryushikaze, said that:

Theoretically yes, though I'd give Cid a better chance than Barret. If a non cetra can use the horrendous kill 'em all weapon with just a little bit of study, it would only make sense that the override code could be activated similarly. Hell, I'd make it even EASIER. Every other Materia in existence has absolutely no racial limiter regarding its usage, merely the knowledge of its application, and this includes Meteor. That Holy is the sole exception does not follow.

Need I repeat my statement about White Materia being unequippable, even by the mighty Cid?

Do I have to repeat my request that you explain how it not being battle equippable means no one can use it? For the longest time, people claimed only Sephiroth could use Masamune, when the canon evidence of Tifa picking it up and swinging it at him is right in front of them?

*Sighs, and starts talking in the tone used to explain to a 4-year old fire is hot* Only Cetra can use Holy. Made-up words, like smeghead, make you look dumb.

Now, while I am just as for slinging insults in the middle of arguments as anyone, I do expect it to be attached to a point. Please, aside from Aerith, who is not infallible, and may in fact be lying as earlier in the game to try and keep her friends safe, please explain to me where your evidence that Cetra only can use their override/abort when anyone can use their kill 'em all weapon comes from, and how such a setup does NOT make them the stupidest people in existence?

I know! I'll use your own quote against you!

Well, if Aerith gets magic, why not Tifa? They both use materia to get it.

If Tifa gets deathblow, so does Aeris. So after she uses GG, she can use deathblow against Tifa. Bye-Bye Tifa!

Only not. Because Deathblow's chances of working on any weapon aside from the Godhand or one of the few other 255 ACC weapons (which Aerith is not privy to) is rather ridiculously low. It can also be linked to Sneak attack, if I'm not mistaken, starting battle with the 1hko.

YES SHE WAS. SURELY IF ANYONE COULD DO IT, SHE WOULD'VE HAVE GONE ALONE?

Sure. She didn't want to put anyone else at risk. A noble, if stupid, sentiment.

Very good. You managed to out-smart that person, if he or she even existed (I note you don't say who said it).

Well now, the ego flows freely.In case you didn't notice, Mr Game script also says anyone can use any Materia.

did Mr. Gamescript state clearly that Aerith, and only Aerith can in fact summon holy and no one else can summon it because it's a Cetra only thing? So far, i've only seen statements that only Aerith can protect the planet but that could mean that only she has the materia and not that only she can summon and no else could. Unless you can bring proof that clearly states Cetra=Summon Holy, Non-Cetra = can't summon holy, i'm afraid it's not clear to me enough.

Cloud: ...Aeris. Aeris has already prayed for Holy. ...After I gave up the Black Materia to Sephiroth...... Aeris' words came into my dreams... She said, she was the only one who could stop Sephiroth...... And to do that, there was a secret here... that was Holy...... That's why, she had the White Materia. Aeris knew about here... and what she had to do. Aeris has left us great hope. But, it cost her her life... her future... I'm sorry... Aeris. I should have figured this out sooner. ...You left us without saying a word...... It was all so
sudden, so I couldn't think... That's why it took so long for me to find out. But, Aeris... I understand now. Aeris... I'll do the rest.

Is that clear enough for you?

Nope. Please note that in the above quote, Cloud is only reporting what he heard from Aerith in a previous quote, and that she says she's the only one who can stop Sephiroth, not that she's the only one who can use Holy because it can only be used by the Cetra because it has the most arsed up racial limiter in existence on it.