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[Firo Volondé]

Repeat after me: Wikipedia is not a source.

Stop insulting Wikipedia and deny the statement. You didn't deny it, because you know it's true. Your only defense is the claim that Wikipedia doesn't verify its articles, which it does. Try making a spam thread and see how long it lasts. Wikipedia clearly states that it uses, among other sources, Final Fantasy VII Ultimania Ω, as evidence. Your arguments are easier to kill than Aeris.

Actually, Wiki isn't a good source because anyone can edit it, and it's hardly authoritative. And when the CANON disagrees, well, I chuckle even further at attempting to employ it.

Wrong, my good sir. CANON agrees with Wikipedia. And still, you refuse to deny my original statement, about humans being the Cetra who stopped listening to the planet. Before you scoff at Wikipedia, please porvide some evidence as to why it's wrong.

You're right, you never said Bugen was a Cetra. Therefore, you brought up a totally useless point, as only Cetra can use the White Materia. My mistake.

You have yet to prove your- Holy=Cetra only argument, by the by. It's also not useless, as it runs counter to your claim that only the Cetra may hear the planet.

Bugenhagen studied the Planet for years in order to be able to hear the Planet. By the way, Holy only called one person in the whole game, and that was Aerith. And by a startling coincidence, Aerith is the only Cetra left. Why didn't it call to Bugenhagen?

Repeat note regarding claiming Wikipedia is wrong, and not denying my statement because it's true. Please dig out your copy of FFVII (judging by your arguments, it hasn't been used in a long time), and try to equip the White Materia on somebody. What's that? You can't? Didn't think so. Also, if I remember correctly, you, Ryushikaze, said that:

Theoretically yes, though I'd give Cid a better chance than Barret. If a non cetra can use the horrendous kill 'em all weapon with just a little bit of study, it would only make sense that the override code could be activated similarly. Hell, I'd make it even EASIER. Every other Materia in existence has absolutely no racial limiter regarding its usage, merely the knowledge of its application, and this includes Meteor. That Holy is the sole exception does not follow.

Need I repeat my statement about White Materia being unequippable, even by the mighty Cid?

Do I have to repeat my request that you explain how it not being battle equippable means no one can use it? For the longest time, people claimed only Sephiroth could use Masamune, when the canon evidence of Tifa picking it up and swinging it at him is right in front of them?

Suddenly, Cloud saw Sephiroth kill two people with his Masamune. We watch a movie of Sephiroth walking away with flames all over the place. Cloud then proceeds to the Mako Reactor. He saw Tifa's father's dead.
Tifa: Papa... Sephiroth!? Sephiroth did this to you, didn't he!?
Sephiroth... SOLDIER... Mako Reactors... Shinra... Everything! I hate
them all!
Tifa took the Masamune and ran. As Cloud head to the reactor section...
Sephiroth: Mother, I'm here to see you. Please, open this door.
Tifa: How could you do that to papa and all the townspeople?
Tifa attempted to slash Sephiroth with the Masamune but Sephiroth took the sword from her and slashed her. Then Sephiroth went inside the room with Jenova. Cloud helped the wounded Tifa.

Masamune is a sword. Only Sephiroth could wield it meant he was the only one strong enough to actually use it effectively. Anyone could pick it up, but is would be too big to be useful. Just like anybody could hold the White Materia, but Aerith was the only one who could pray to the Planet and unlock Holy. Note that Sephiroth, unarmed, ambushed by Tifa, took the Masamune from Tifa without blinking. Furthermore, that whole sequence is based on Cloud's memories that Zack actually witnessed. It may not even be 100% accurate.

Please, aside from Aerith, who is not infallible, and may in fact be lying as earlier in the game to try and keep her friends safe, please explain to me where your evidence that Cetra only can use their override/abort when anyone can use their kill 'em all weapon comes from, and how such a setup does NOT make them the stupidest people in existence?

The following evidence comes from the site http://au.faqs.ign.com/articles/698/698416p1.html. It was taken from a translation of the Ultimania guide. My thanks to you, Ryu Kaze.

**The White Materia: Holy** (005.3B)
The only means of opposing Meteor, the Ultimate White Magic was passed down amongst the Ancients. It is said that when an Ancient learns of Holy in the Forgotten Capital, prays at the water altar and their mind then links to the Planet, Holy is thereby put into operation. Passed down through the Ancients' generations, the White Materia came to Aerith from her mother, Ifalna, and she kept it hidden in a ribbon in her hair.

How exactly Holy applies its power once invoked and in operation is not
definite. It is simply known that "all that is bad for the Planet will
disappear."

(Accompanying screenshot caption)
As evidence of the Planet accepting Aerith's prayer, the White Materia laying on the water bed shines a pale green color. However, Holy's movement was being held back by the wicked will of Sephiroth, who had called Meteor.
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[Analysis: This section confirms what many who played the game believed: that Aerith knew nothing of Holy until she got to the City of the Ancients -- to which she felt herself being drawn -- and learned of it there, the same way that Bugenhagen later would.]
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Sephiroth, and only Sephiroth, could use Black Materia because he spent years in the Lifestream, and so gained all the knowledge of the Ancients. He would be able to use Holy as well, and Aerith could use Meteor, but why would they? There's your evidence. And for the record, it would not make Cetra stupid, but the Planet, since it created the White and Black Materia.

I know! I'll use your own quote against you!

Well, if Aerith gets magic, why not Tifa? They both use materia to get it.

If Tifa gets deathblow, so does Aeris. So after she uses GG, she can use deathblow against Tifa. Bye-Bye Tifa!

Only not. Because Deathblow's chances of working on any weapon aside from the Godhand or one of the few other 255 ACC weapons (which Aerith is not privy to) is rather ridiculously low. It can also be linked to Sneak attack, if I'm not mistaken, starting battle with the 1hko.

The chance of Deathblow working may be low, but if she uses it many times, which she can thanks to GG, the chance of it working just once rises exponentially.

YES SHE WAS. SURELY IF ANYONE COULD DO IT, SHE WOULD'VE HAVE GONE ALONE?

Sure. She didn't want to put anyone else at risk. A noble, if stupid, sentiment.

Wrong again. Aerith knew nothing of Holy until she got to City of the Ancients, she only knew what the Planet was telling her.

Very good. You managed to out-smart that person, if he or she even existed (I note you don't say who said it).

Well now, the ego flows freely.In case you didn't notice, Mr Game script also says anyone can use any Materia.

Except for White and Black Materia. They are very different to normal Materia. Do some research.

did Mr. Gamescript state clearly that Aerith, and only Aerith can in fact summon holy and no one else can summon it because it's a Cetra only thing? So far, i've only seen statements that only Aerith can protect the planet but that could mean that only she has the materia and not that only she can summon and no else could. Unless you can bring proof that clearly states Cetra=Summon Holy, Non-Cetra = can't summon holy, i'm afraid it's not clear to me enough.

Cloud: ...Aeris. Aeris has already prayed for Holy. ...After I gave up the Black Materia to Sephiroth...... Aeris' words came into my dreams... She said, she was the only one who could stop Sephiroth...... And to do that, there was a secret here... that was Holy...... That's why, she had the White Materia. Aeris knew about here... and what she had to do. Aeris has left us great hope. But, it cost her her life... her future... I'm sorry... Aeris. I should have figured this out sooner. ...You left us without saying a word...... It was all so
sudden, so I couldn't think... That's why it took so long for me to find out. But, Aeris... I understand now. Aeris... I'll do the rest.

Is that clear enough for you?

Nope. Please note that in the above quote, Cloud is only reporting what he heard from Aerith in a previous quote, and that she says she's the only one who can stop Sephiroth, not that she's the only one who can use Holy because it can only be used by the Cetra because it has the most arsed up racial limiter in existence on it.

Because Aerith knew nothing of Holy until she got to City of the Ancients, she said that because the White Materia, when calling to her, told her that. Aerith may not be infallible, but the Planet is.