That's like comparing the President to a Principal of a school. WWE is and always has been much larger than just a tv show.
Oh well, I'm done arguing about this.
R.I.P Chris.
That's like comparing the President to a Principal of a school. WWE is and always has been much larger than just a tv show.
Oh well, I'm done arguing about this.
R.I.P Chris.
I don't watch wrestling. It's a soap opera with oily people and even worse acting.
EDIT: That's ridiculous. WWE is no different from any other stupid TV drama except it pretended to be a sport for a very long time. You're still failing to come up with any reason why Chris Benoit was ever a "hero."
[q=Roto]You're still failing to come up with any reason why Chris Benoit was ever a "hero."[/q]Hero or not, he was still a person respected and admired by many. Nothing wrong with people appreciating fictional "heroes", either - I consider Captain bloody Picard a hero, for what that's worth.
Nothing can mitigate or excuse what he did to his family, of course, but it's going to provide some measure of comfort or closure for his fans if or when toxicology reports reveal just what drove him to such madness. Some of the reports concerning his divorce suggest a potential for violence, but nothing on this scale.
A disturbing number of deaths in pro wrestling have been attributed to the (mis)use of steroids and other drugs in recent years. Maybe this latest loss will trigger some kind of internal crack-down on such things, before anyone else is hurt or killed needlessly.
Typical response I thought I'd see.
I'd like to see you do backflips on 5 foot tall ropes and landing on your chest, or other such acrobatic stunts and still call it not a sport, and just "any old soap opera". Wrestling is not fake. It's scripted, and that's all. Some injurys are part of the story line, but some are real. If you get injured while recording a soap opera, there is something wrong with your ability to stand properly.
Now seeing as this is getting off-topic and becoming just another debate on "zomg wrestling is fake" I really am going to stop here. A guy has died, no matter what he did, I'm not going to debate what he did was right or wrong anymore, and neither should you, but do as you wish. I don't doubt you'll want to reply with what I said, and i'll most likely read it, but I don't plan on replying unlike what I said in my last post.
It makes me sad to think that someone that was once a role model to so many would do this...I wonder what was going through his head?
Detailed WWE/Benoit timeline
Written: June 26, 2007
Below is a detailed WWE/Chris Benoit timeline from Saturday to Monday:
Saturday, June 23, 2007
Chris Benoit was scheduled to appear at the WWE SmackDown/ ECW live event in Beaumont, Texas
3:30pm
A co-worker received a voice message from Benoit. The message from Benoit stated he missed his flight and over slept and would be late to the WWE Live Event. The co-worker called Benoit back, Benoit confirmed everything he said in his voice message and sounded tired and groggy. Benoit then stated, “I love you”. The co-worker stated that it was “out of context.”
3:42pm
The same co-worker was concerned with Benoit’s tone and demeanor and called Benoit for a second time. Benoit did not answer the call and the co-worker left a message stating “just call me back.”
3:44pm
Benoit called the co-worker back stating he didn’t answer the call because he was on the phone with Delta changing his flight. Benoit stated he had a real stressful day due to Nancy and Daniel being sick with food poisoning. They discussed travel plans for the WWE Tour of Texas with Benoit still sounding groggy at this point according to the co-worker.
4:30pm
A co-worker who consistently travels with Benoit, called Benoit from outside Houston airport and Benoit answered. Benoit told the co-worker that Nancy was throwing up blood and that Daniel was also throwing up. Benoit thought they had food poisoning. Benoit stated he changed his flight and he would be arriving into Houston at 6:30pm. Benoit told the co-worker to drive onto the WWE event.
5:35pm
Benoit called WWE Talent Relations stating that his son was throwing up and that he and Nancy were in the hospital with their son, and that Benoit would be taking a later flight into Houston, landing late, but would make the WWE live event in Beaumont.
6:10pm
A representative of Talent Relations called Benoit. The representative from Talent Relations asked Benoit what time Benoit was getting into Beaumont. Benoit responded he was leaving Atlanta at 9:20pm Eastern time arriving into Houston at 9:24pm Central time. The representative from Talent Relations advised Benoit that it would be too late to make the WWE live event in Beaumont. Benoit apologized citing he had a family emergency. The representative from Talent Relations suggested to Benoit that instead of going to the WWE live event in Beaumont, Benoit should take the flight to Houston, rest up and be ready for the Vengeance Pay-Per-View event.
6:13pm
The representative from Talent Relations called Benoit to reconfirm the travel plans with no answer from Benoit. The representative from Talent Relations left a voice message to take the flight and rest up.
Sunday, June 24, 2007
Text messages sent to co-workers from Chris Benoit and Nancy Benoit’s cell phones:
Text Message 1
Sent to: Two Co-Workers (the same who had verbal correspondence with Benoit the day before)
From: Benoit’s cell phone
When: 6/24 at 3:53am from
Message: C, S. My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane. Fayetteville Georgia. 30215
Text Message 2
Sent to: Two Co-Workers (the same who had verbal correspondence with Benoit the day before)
From: Benoit’s cell phone
When: 6/24 at 3:53am
Message: The dogs are in the enclosed pool area. Garage side door is open
Text Message 3
Sent to: Two Co-Workers (the same who had verbal correspondence with Benoit the day before)
From: Nancy Benoit’s cell phone
When: 6/24 at 3:54am
Message: C, S. My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane. Fayetteville Georgia. 30215
Text Message 4
Sent to: Two Co-Workers (the same who had verbal correspondence with Benoit the day before)
From: Nancy Benoit’s cell phone
When: 6/24 at 3:55am
Message: C, S. My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane. Fayetteville Georgia. 30215
Text Message 5
Sent to: A Co-Worker who consistently traveled with Benoit
From: Nancy Benoit’s cell phone
When: 6/24 at 3:58am
Message: My address is 130 Green Meadow Lane. Fayetteville Georgia. 30215
WWE made several attempts to contact Benoit via phone and text messages, as well as, the local hospitals in the Atlanta area. As of 11:00 pm Sunday night there was no contact made with Benoit.
Monday, June 25, 2007
12:30pm
WWE was notified of text messages sent to the two co-workers.
12:45pm
WWE contacted the Fayetteville County Sheriff’s office and requested them to go to Benoit’s
residence
4:00pm
WWE received a call from the Fayetteville County Sheriff’s office, advising that they entered
the house of Benoit and found 3 deceased bodies (a male, a female and a child). The Fayette County Sheriff’s office has secured the house as a “major crime scene” and that the Fayette County Sheriff’s Office had no further information.
One of my school friends is named Chris Benoit. I didn't know there was a wrestler with the same name.
All death is sad.
It is so weird to see the image of someone change overnight from a respected person to a murderer. I hope there will be a little consolation when the toxicology comes back and we find he was out of his head on 'roids. I can't believe he was in his right mind when he did this.
I hope to remember Benoit as the respected and refined technical wrestler he used to be rather than the bastard he was when he died.
The amount of athleticism it takes to perform in this "soap opera" is beyond the majority of actual athletes. While the general idea behind wrestling is "entertainment value" anyone who outright denies that wrestling actually is a sport is ignorant.Originally Posted by Roto13
As for whether or not he was a hero, that is very dependent on your definition of hero. Let's get optimistic here: Everyone is a hero. Right down to the smallest person, everyone has done something that, in the eyes of another, makes them a hero. While others might not agree with this assessment, it is pretty much true.
I don't know what grudge you have against wrestling, Roto, but you should at least be able to recognize the reality that a lot of people knew of and respect Benoit during his long career. Whatever you consider him an athlete, a celebrity, or anything in between, he was still a well-known and well-liked person among many pro-wrestling fans, of which there are many.
Yes, wrestling is scripted. But that does not take away from the athleticism required. Those people are definitely in shape and working hard. I don't watch pro-wrestling anymore; I personally now find it almost painfully bad to watch, though I did used to watch WCW back in the day.
Many people liked Benoit during his career, and now Benoit did something horrible and then killed himself. The posters I've seen in this thread are not trying to excuse his actions, but are merely shocked at this atrocity and mourning someone who had a great career that was thrown away.
It's not only the fact that he murdered that disturbs me, but the fact that someone I grew up watching and admiring committed these murders. Benoit's in-ring behavior, as well as the condolences given by his fellow wrestlers on the show give me reason to believe that Benoit was as calm and collected in the ring as he was outside of it. This is not normal behavior on his part, and a big part inside of me is hoping beyond hope that drugs played a part in some way. If it did, at least I can sleep slightly easier knowing that he wasn't in the right frame of mind when he did this. Don't get me wrong, it doesn't excuse him. It just makes me feel a little better.
Well, congratulations, Khaotic. Your hero is a disgusting murderer.
You people are also missing the point about the whole wrestling = soap opera thing. The point is that wrestling isn't important. It's another stupid show to watch on TV. That's it.
If I admired someone, I'd like to think the admiration would turn to disgust and loathing if he started murdering people.
Roto, chill out. As far as anyone knows, he was out of his mind. You can't blame crazy people for being crazy. Also, you're purposefully trying to rile people up.
That goes for the rest of you, too. Don't try to rile anybody up, and even if you think he is a disgusting murderer, say that, and leave it at that. Quit the petty arguing.
Signature by rubah. I think.
Generally it does. I'm sure there are a lot of fans that did not approve of actions. Naturally, there are others who are in denial over the whole thing and believe there to be another explain. But that isn't really important.
See, wrestling is important (television as a whole is one of the most important creations in the last 100 years). Because it inspires some people to do whatever they can do. If a small boy sees one wrestling show, and is inspired to become a wrestler on said show, how you can call that unimportant?
I wager it's not that which Roto's worked up about, but rather this:
It is, apparently, more disgusting to not respect a murderer who was also a good entertainer, than his actual murders were.
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