Final boss help!

[Scream1008]

Note to all:

ULTIMECIA'S LEVEL IS THE SAME AS YOUR PARTY'S LEVEL, just like (nearly) all FFVIII enemies.
So if you fight her with characters who're at a lower level, she'll be at a lower level too. With less HP, weaker magic, inferior strategies. The secret to an easy Ultimecia fight is to keep everyone at as low a level as possible, and use junctioning to make them stronger. It's easy to have a low-level party (less than level 20) who've got maximum HP, strength, magic, etc.

You know, I heard the same about Sephiroth, yet I beat him after I trained a while and advanced a few levels. He was, for me, far easier at level 75 than, say, level 60. I enjoyed that final battle far more for the most part anyway. It may have been around the same length, but it definitely didn't seem like it. The only hard part of the final boss was Safer Sephiroth (Jenova was simple with the Slash-All and so was Sephiroth's first form, for the same reason), unlike every form of Ultimecia keeping you completely on your toes all the time. The battle is so much up to chance as well, if you think about it: any random magic you have junctioned could be blown away at a single thought, among other things. FFVII was a far better game IMO. I was enjoying this one SO MUCH though up until this final boss battle. Right now I'm just like "screw it; I've already seen the ending video on YouTube, so what's the point of wasting my time?"


Anyway, now that the rant is over, I realized that I am fresh out of Phoenix Pinions. Where might one acquire some?

[The Ceej]

Try modding your cards. At this point in the game, you need them no longer.

Did you try my strategy? The others called it cheap, but it worked for me the first time and I was fighting with two as I stated earlier.

[Northcrest]

If you haven't used your Bahamut card for 99 Megalixers do it. Make sure to have Aura cast on Squall. For junctioning. Have each Character with 100 Ultima for Strength or Attack (Don't remember). Or Meteor will work fine too. This should be an easy win.

[Scream1008]

I realize that to get Holy War, I have to use card mod on the Gilgamesh card. I also realize that to get this card, I have to go through all 7 of the CC members on the Ragnarok. Unfortunately, there is only one, the Joker, on the ship. He is located next to the elevator. Where are all the others supposed to be? I heard that they were all on the ship somewhere. Maybe he is the only one I battled with earlier on, so do I have to go back to Balamb Garden? And one more: if I do have to go back, where is the Garden now? I tried following the train tracks from Esther St., which is the last place I remember seeing the Garden, but to no avail. Anyway, I plan on using the Holy Wars I recieve in the battle, and I will also go to the Deep Sea Research Center to obtain Eden. I think that will give me the upper hand in the battle against Ultimecia. Remember, I can get to her last form and maybe destroy a fifth of it, but I get killed pretty often by Apocalypse. Holy War would obviously help a lot in that area.


Also, the Chubby Chocobo card I heard will help me get closer to my GFs. That is another one that I get from the CC Members, correct?

[Hyperion4444]

Monsters level up as you do.
Bosses have a level cap and are really not that stronger! So just shup up about it because it's no excuse.
Example:
Adel:
Level 1:6000HP, 46str, 32vit, 59mag, 42spr, 35spd, 0eva.
Level 10: 15,000HP, 64str, 47vit, 78mag, 61spr, 40spd, 1eva.
Level 20: 25,000HP, 83str, 65vit, 98mag, 82spr, 44spd, 1eva.
Level 40: 45,000HP, 120str, 100vit, 137mag, 124spr, 53spd, 2 eva.
Level 46 (MAX): 51,000HP, 131str, 110vit, 148mag, 136spr, 56spd, 2eva.

or Biggs:
level 1: 467HP, 6str, 31vit, 8mag, 45psr, 6spd, 2eva
level 10 max: 705HP, 18str, 37vit, 17mag, 49spr, 7spd, 3eva.
ecounter 2: 1467HP-2235HP

By the way, there is no way to encounter enemies under level 7.
And speaking of Adel: Rinoa also increases in levels, the higher the level, best chances she has to survive!
very few bosses go up to 100, but they are all optional and not all of them either.

[Scream1008]

Monsters level up as you do.
Bosses have a level cap and are really not that stronger! So just shup up about it because it's no excuse.

Way to answer the question I asked.... Besides, what in God's name did I do to you? I was just saying that I enjoyed Sephiroth battle far more and I heard the same thing about him being at the same level as your party, yet when I leveled up I found him easy. I don't understand why you are attacking me.

[Big D]

[q=Hyperion4444]very few bosses go up to 100, but they are all optional and not all of them either.[/q]Not quite right... plenty of bosses can attain the maximum level, and many of them are disproportionately powerful as a result - i.e, they become stronger at a much faster rate than your own characters do, as they level up. If you fight Raijin, Fujin and Seifer at Lunatic Pandora with a party who're all at level 100, those three will be at level 100 too - and each will have about 40,000 HP. That's more than your entire party gets. By keeping the party at a low level, the bosses remain suitably weak; but it's still easy to get your party up near their maximum by using strategic Junctions.

Sure Ultimecia can blow away magic spell; but if a character's carrying a lot of different spells, her chances of hitting a crucial spell are pretty low. Out of all the times I've beaten FFVIII, only once did she blow away the Full-Life spells I was using for someone's HP junction.

Sephiroth certainly does level up as you do in FFVII, but his incremental increases in strength are nothing compared to Ultimecia's.

[Skyblade]

If you don't face the CC Club before Disc 4, you can't face them later. So you have lost Gilgamesh and his Holy Wars. It's still possible to obtain them, through a very long and annoying item refinement process, but it won't be easy.

Dark Matter => Shaman Stone => Hero Trial => Hero => Holy War Trial => Holy War

[rubah]

can you mod a hungry cookpot into a shaman stone, or just vice versa?

[Hyperion4444]

Monsters level up as you do.
Bosses have a level cap and are really not that stronger! So just shup up about it because it's no excuse.

Way to answer the question I asked.... Besides, what in God's name did I do to you? I was just saying that I enjoyed Sephiroth battle far more and I heard the same thing about him being at the same level as your party, yet when I leveled up I found him easy. I don't understand why you are attacking me.

Sorry, I didn't mean to offend you...
I meant others who always complains about monsters level up has you do, well bosses don't, and neither does some 'dungeon' areas.
I wasn't attacking you, on the contrary, I was saying the same as you saying ''they are easyer to beat, and here's the proof''.

[q=Hyperion4444]very few bosses go up to 100, but they are all optional and not all of them either.[/q]Not quite right... plenty of bosses can attain the maximum level, and many of them are disproportionately powerful as a result - i.e, they become stronger at a much faster rate than your own characters do, as they level up. If you fight Raijin, Fujin and Seifer at Lunatic Pandora with a party who're all at level 100, those three will be at level 100 too - and each will have about 40,000 HP. That's more than your entire party gets. By keeping the party at a low level, the bosses remain suitably weak; but it's still easy to get your party up near their maximum by using strategic Junctions.

Sure Ultimecia can blow away magic spell; but if a character's carrying a lot of different spells, her chances of hitting a crucial spell are pretty low. Out of all the times I've beaten FFVIII, only once did she blow away the Full-Life spells I was using for someone's HP junction.

Sephiroth certainly does level up as you do in FFVII, but his incremental increases in strength are nothing compared to Ultimecia's.

:rolleyes2 see what I mean Scream1008?

Bosses/GFs that goes up to 100:
-Bahamut
-Catoblepas
-Diablos
-Odin
-Omega Weapon
-Sphinzaur/Sphinxara (HP locked at 10,000)
-Tonberry King
-UFO
-Ultima Weapon

That is all, no others. All of them are OPTIONAL!
Seifer's 4th encouter, he doesn't go up more than lvl45.

Here are the stats you should focus on:
All: HP (9999)
Squall: Str, Vit, Spd.
Rinoa: Str, Mag, Spd.
Irvine: Str, Vit, Spr.
Quistis: Mag, Vit, Spr.
Zell: Str, Spd, Luck.
Selphie: Mag, Eva, Spr.

Why?

Squall: He will need strengh for Renzokuken/Lionheart. Vitality for him to absorb most melee attacks. And Spd because you'll want to execute his limits often.

Rinoa: Str will do good with Angelo Combine for Shooting Star/Cannon ''don't even make Angelo learn Strike, it's no good. Still ok if you did''.
Magic is what Rinoa would use with Angel Wing. You'll want the Meteor Shower Strategy for Rinoa ''provided on this very site''
Simply remove all Magic to Rinoa besides:
Cure/Cura/Curaga, Life/Full-Life, Regen, Haste, Double/Triple, Esuna, Float, Protect/Shell, Reflect, Aura and Meteor.
Having 255mag, use Angel's Wings ''Yes, you will loose control of her, but it's for the best.'' when you enter battle with her, have another party member cast Meltdown on her/griever/both/both again/final form. You'll see.
Spd since you want her to attack fast.

Irvine: Have Irvine cast Meltdown, with his strenght at 255, he should do about 5500 damage average. There are two time limit. The smaller can cast 20 bullets with turbo controller (I did 21, don't ask me how.) and the other one can cast 50 bullets with TC. You'll eventually run out of ammo after 100, useless to focus on spd, so just focus on defence of vit and spr.

Quistis: Have Quistis cast Meltdown. She can learn Shockwave Pulsar/Mighty Guard (cast Protect/Shell, sometimes Aura, Float and Others..)/White Wind(It does heal, but you can find better with Recover command, good if you are only using limit breaks challenge and don't have Selphie.)/Degenerator(Good for quick lvl up at Island H/H)
Based on that, you'll want to cast Mighty Guard at first, you'll want to max magic for Shockwave Pulsar. And keep her tough for spells, having spd isn't really a priority after Mighty Guard.

Zell: You'll ant to max his Str for Duel, use my Final Heaven or Armegeddon Fist; (up/down, left/right) repeat...
Spd accutally boost his Final Heaven. And you'll want to use him often.
If you are not using his limit break, boost Luck, this way he will do more critical hits (x2Damage Attack).

Selphie: She uses slot so boost magic, altought it is rare I use slot to attack.
Eva since it takes a while to find what you want, so evading attacks is good right?
Spr to defend against magic.

Use Auras Applenty.

can you mod a hungry cookpot into a shaman stone, or just vice versa?

You can only have one hungry cookpot. You should use it wisely on the GF you'll want to make learn Devour.

[Xurts]

You know, I heard the same about Sephiroth, yet I beat him after I trained a while and advanced a few levels. He was, for me, far easier at level 75 than, say, level 60. I enjoyed that final battle far more for the most part anyway. It may have been around the same length, but it definitely didn't seem like it. The only hard part of the final boss was Safer Sephiroth (Jenova was simple with the Slash-All and so was Sephiroth's first form, for the same reason), unlike every form of Ultimecia keeping you completely on your toes all the time. The battle is so much up to chance as well, if you think about it: any random magic you have junctioned could be blown away at a single thought, among other things. FFVII was a far better game IMO. I was enjoying this one SO MUCH though up until this final boss battle. Right now I'm just like "screw it; I've already seen the ending video on YouTube, so what's the point of wasting my time?"


Anyway, now that the rant is over, I realized that I am fresh out of Phoenix Pinions. Where might one acquire some?

Wow, way to fail.

Ultimecia is not hard, you simply SUCK. k? Improve your junctions and she will be nothing. I went out of my way last time to give you a list of the best magic to junction to what stats and the easiest way to obtain it. If you would've listened to me in the Adel topic you made and got the magic I suggested you get, you would not be having trouble with this fight. I would be helpful and find it for you again, but I'm through with helping you.

I've never had a problem with my magic being blown away. It was always something that wasn't important. The only stats that are important at this point in the game are your HP, Str, Vit, Mag, and Spr. There's a small chance that one of those 5 spells will be blown away.

You're ranting about how Sephiroth was so easy compared to Ultimecia, and that FF7 is better because Ultimecia kicks your ass? Not cool. You're making it seem like you prefer an easy fight to a challenging one. Sephiroth is boring because he is so easy, Ultimecia is at least a bit more challenging and takes more than 1 turn to kill.

Why are you still trying to beat Ultimecia? There isn't any point in trying to beat her if you've already spoiled the ending by watching it on YouTube.

[Hyperion4444]

He didn't see quite all of it...

You know, I heard the same about Sephiroth, yet I beat him after I trained a while and advanced a few levels. He was, for me, far easier at level 75 than, say, level 60. I enjoyed that final battle far more for the most part anyway. It may have been around the same length, but it definitely didn't seem like it. The only hard part of the final boss was Safer Sephiroth (Jenova was simple with the Slash-All and so was Sephiroth's first form, for the same reason), unlike every form of Ultimecia keeping you completely on your toes all the time. The battle is so much up to chance as well, if you think about it: any random magic you have junctioned could be blown away at a single thought, among other things. FFVII was a far better game IMO. I was enjoying this one SO MUCH though up until this final boss battle. Right now I'm just like "screw it; I've already seen the ending video on YouTube, so what's the point of wasting my time?"


Anyway, now that the rant is over, I realized that I am fresh out of Phoenix Pinions. Where might one acquire some?

Wow, way to fail.

Ultimecia is not hard, you simply SUCK. k? Improve your junctions and she will be nothing. I went out of my way last time to give you a list of the best magic to junction to what stats and the easiest way to obtain it. If you would've listened to me in the Adel topic you made and got the magic I suggested you get, you would not be having trouble with this fight. I would be helpful and find it for you again, but I'm through with helping you.

I've never had a problem with my magic being blown away. It was always something that wasn't important. The only stats that are important at this point in the game are your HP, Str, Vit, Mag, and Spr. There's a small chance that one of those 5 spells will be blown away.

You're ranting about how Sephiroth was so easy compared to Ultimecia, and that FF7 is better because Ultimecia kicks your ass? Not cool. You're making it seem like you prefer an easy fight to a challenging one. Sephiroth is boring because he is so easy, Ultimecia is at least a bit more challenging and takes more than 1 turn to kill.

Why are you still trying to beat Ultimecia? There isn't any point in trying to beat her if you've already spoiled the ending by watching it on YouTube.

And be nice Xurts!
Others aren't as talented as I am!

[Zeromus_X]

I believe that Ultimecia's maximum level is 65. Or perhaps that just for her first form...

At any rate, she was still quite easy with three level 100 characters. As with most of the other bosses in the game, Meltdown and Aura made quick work of her forms. Most of them could be taken out with just one Armegeddon Fist. If you understand how the Junction System and how the characters' Limit Breaks work, the game becomes a whole lot easier.

Nonetheless, Ultimecia still has one of my favorite final boss sequences in the series.

[Scream1008]

Monsters level up as you do.
Bosses have a level cap and are really not that stronger! So just shup up about it because it's no excuse.

Way to answer the question I asked.... Besides, what in God's name did I do to you? I was just saying that I enjoyed Sephiroth battle far more and I heard the same thing about him being at the same level as your party, yet when I leveled up I found him easy. I don't understand why you are attacking me.

Sorry, I didn't mean to offend you...
I meant others who always complains about monsters level up has you do, well bosses don't, and neither does some 'dungeon' areas.
I wasn't attacking you, on the contrary, I was saying the same as you saying ''they are easyer to beat, and here's the proof''.

[q=Hyperion4444]very few bosses go up to 100, but they are all optional and not all of them either.[/q]Not quite right... plenty of bosses can attain the maximum level, and many of them are disproportionately powerful as a result - i.e, they become stronger at a much faster rate than your own characters do, as they level up. If you fight Raijin, Fujin and Seifer at Lunatic Pandora with a party who're all at level 100, those three will be at level 100 too - and each will have about 40,000 HP. That's more than your entire party gets. By keeping the party at a low level, the bosses remain suitably weak; but it's still easy to get your party up near their maximum by using strategic Junctions.

Sure Ultimecia can blow away magic spell; but if a character's carrying a lot of different spells, her chances of hitting a crucial spell are pretty low. Out of all the times I've beaten FFVIII, only once did she blow away the Full-Life spells I was using for someone's HP junction.

Sephiroth certainly does level up as you do in FFVII, but his incremental increases in strength are nothing compared to Ultimecia's.

:rolleyes2 see what I mean Scream1008?

Bosses/GFs that goes up to 100:
-Bahamut
-Catoblepas
-Diablos
-Odin
-Omega Weapon
-Sphinzaur/Sphinxara (HP locked at 10,000)
-Tonberry King
-UFO
-Ultima Weapon

That is all, no others. All of them are OPTIONAL!
Seifer's 4th encouter, he doesn't go up more than lvl45.

Here are the stats you should focus on:
All: HP (9999)
Squall: Str, Vit, Spd.
Rinoa: Str, Mag, Spd.
Irvine: Str, Vit, Spr.
Quistis: Mag, Vit, Spr.
Zell: Str, Spd, Luck.
Selphie: Mag, Eva, Spr.

Why?

Squall: He will need strengh for Renzokuken/Lionheart. Vitality for him to absorb most melee attacks. And Spd because you'll want to execute his limits often.

Rinoa: Str will do good with Angelo Combine for Shooting Star/Cannon ''don't even make Angelo learn Strike, it's no good. Still ok if you did''.
Magic is what Rinoa would use with Angel Wing. You'll want the Meteor Shower Strategy for Rinoa ''provided on this very site''
Simply remove all Magic to Rinoa besides:
Cure/Cura/Curaga, Life/Full-Life, Regen, Haste, Double/Triple, Esuna, Float, Protect/Shell, Reflect, Aura and Meteor.
Having 255mag, use Angel's Wings ''Yes, you will loose control of her, but it's for the best.'' when you enter battle with her, have another party member cast Meltdown on her/griever/both/both again/final form. You'll see.
Spd since you want her to attack fast.

Irvine: Have Irvine cast Meltdown, with his strenght at 255, he should do about 5500 damage average. There are two time limit. The smaller can cast 20 bullets with turbo controller (I did 21, don't ask me how.) and the other one can cast 50 bullets with TC. You'll eventually run out of ammo after 100, useless to focus on spd, so just focus on defence of vit and spr.

Quistis: Have Quistis cast Meltdown. She can learn Shockwave Pulsar/Mighty Guard (cast Protect/Shell, sometimes Aura, Float and Others..)/White Wind(It does heal, but you can find better with Recover command, good if you are only using limit breaks challenge and don't have Selphie.)/Degenerator(Good for quick lvl up at Island H/H)
Based on that, you'll want to cast Mighty Guard at first, you'll want to max magic for Shockwave Pulsar. And keep her tough for spells, having spd isn't really a priority after Mighty Guard.

Zell: You'll ant to max his Str for Duel, use my Final Heaven or Armegeddon Fist; (up/down, left/right) repeat...
Spd accutally boost his Final Heaven. And you'll want to use him often.
If you are not using his limit break, boost Luck, this way he will do more critical hits (x2Damage Attack).

Selphie: She uses slot so boost magic, altought it is rare I use slot to attack.
Eva since it takes a while to find what you want, so evading attacks is good right?
Spr to defend against magic.

Use Auras Applenty.

can you mod a hungry cookpot into a shaman stone, or just vice versa?

You can only have one hungry cookpot. You should use it wisely on the GF you'll want to make learn Devour.

Sorry for misunderstanding you. Sometimes it's hard to understand exactly what people mean on forums, you know. And definitely thanks for the help. It sucks that I can't get those cards, though.

[Hyperion4444]

Have you done the CC card quest?
It really doesn't matter for first play through.
Use what I've said, ...

All: HP (9999)
Focus on:
Squall: Str, Vit, Spd. /Lionheart
Rinoa: Str, Mag, Spd. /Meteor Shower 'Angel Wing' after Invincible Moon
Irvine: Str, Vit, Spr./Fast Shot, Normal Shot or whatever is your strongest
Quistis: Mag, Vit, Spr./Mighty Guard, Pulsewave Shock
Zell: Str, Spd, Luck./Arma Fist; up down left right...repeat
Selphie: Mag, Eva, Spr./Full Cure; Wall if you need to.
Use Auras

...you'll be fine.

Trust me, if you do Angel Wing correctly like I said and this site said, and keep using Renzokuken while the third is healing, it will go fast!