Which Villain Accomplished The Most?

[The Crystal]

Kefka became a god and ground the world under his boot heel for a year.

And Yu Yevon terrorized the world for 1000 years.

[PuPu]

Kefka became a god and ground the world under his boot heel for a year.

And Yu Yevon terrorized the world for 1000 years.

Except, like it has been said in this thread before, he didn't really cause people to "lose hope". The people of Spira knew that every time Sin would come back, a High Summoner would rise. He/She would kill Sin, then Spira would be free for a few years, and when Sin comes back, they knew another High Summoner would rise again, and Sin would be destroyed again, repeating the process. (Of course, when Yuna had become the High Summoner, she and the rest of the gang killed Sin for good.) You'd probably also have to subtract a few hundred years from that 1000 for all the times Sin was destroyed. And if anything, all Yu Yevon/Sin really did was force a summoner to give up his/her life every few years. Maybe throw in a few times where he might have destroyed a small city like Killika , but it still seems to me like it's nothing that major.

[ReloadPsi]

Chaos had the world under boot and heel for 2000 years, maybe more if you take the time loop into consideration. I like how that was ignored.

[Forsaken Lover]

Fayth
"Yu Yevon was once a summoner, long ago."
"He was peerless."
"Yet now he lives for one purpose: only to summon."
"He is neither good, nor evil. He is awake, yet he dreams."


"On the eve of Zanarkand's destruction, Lady Yunalesca...had fled to safety with her husband, Zaon.
Later, the two used the Final Summoning to defeat Sin.
Yet the people of Bevelle still feared Yu Yevon. It was to quell his wrath that they revered him, and first spread his teachings. And so were born the temples of Yevon.
I suppose it's possible Yunalesca had planned it that way from the start!A fair trade, she defeats Sin in exchange for her lord father's honor. Of course, there's no proof. No, the facts are lost in the mists of time."

So, Yevon has devolved into a mechanical force that simply summons with no will of its own.

And the whole Yevon religion was hypothetically planned out by Yunalesca, not Yevon. It was brought into being by the superstitious fears of the leaders of Bevelle.

Also, might I remind you all, Sin was around for 1000 years. If each Calm is 10 years and I believe a total of Five people defeated Sin, it was still active for over 900 years. And it can't do more than destroy a few towns.

It's more the fault of the Yevon religion than Yu Yevon himself.

[Goldenboko]

Chaos had the world under boot and heel for 2000 years, maybe more if you take the time loop into consideration. I like how that was ignored.

Yes, but most people didn't even know he existed, go around and talk to everyone they have no idea who Chaos is.

[Omni-Odin]

Kefka

[Slothy]

Kefka became a god and ground the world under his boot heel for a year.

And Yu Yevon terrorized the world for 1000 years.

I don't consider Yu Yevon the villian of FFX. Yes Sin needed to be stopped, but it didn't actively try to destroy everything in the world. In fact, for something so powerful, it did almost nothing in that 1000 years. The Yevon religion did more damage to the people of Spira than Sin by holding them back technologically, but as was said before, Yu Yevon didn't really create that religion. The damage Sin cause never seemed to stop the people of Spira from quickly rebuilding, or creating fairly massive cities like Bevelle or Luca. Sin (and by extension Yu Yevon) were more a force of nature than anything else. They weren't out to destroy the world or anything. What little damage they did to human society was just an unfortunate consequence of their existence.

[Firo Volondé]

Kefka became a god and ground the world under his boot heel for a year.

And Yu Yevon terrorized the world for 1000 years.

I don't consider Yu Yevon the villian of FFX. Yes Sin needed to be stopped, but it didn't actively try to destroy everything in the world.

Not all villains set out to destroy everything, nor it is a prerequisite that they do in order to become villains. If so, villains could only exist in fantasy/science fiction, which is obviously untrue.

In fact, for something so powerful, it did almost nothing in that 1000 years.

True. It only managed to send the fabulously futuristic Spira back into the Middle Ages, keep it there for 1000 years, halting any technological advancements, destroy any settlements that grew too large for its liking, and accumulated a kill count that almost nothing in the whole history of fictional stories can match.

The Yevon religion did more damage to the people of Spira than Sin by holding them back technologically, but as was said before, Yu Yevon didn't really create that religion.

Oh didn't he?

They said that the people of Zanarkand became the fayth, that they had called Sin. And that the man responsible... was none other than the summoner Yevon, ruler of Zanarkand!
...
Yet the people of Bevelle still feared Yu Yevon. It was to quell his wrath that they revered him, and first spread his teachings. And so were born the temples of Yevon. I suppose it's possible Yunalesca had planned it that way from the start!

The damage Sin cause never seemed to stop the people of Spira from quickly rebuilding, or creating fairly massive cities like Bevelle or Luca.

Sin was still following the programming set down for it by Yevon; it did not seek to crush Spira entirely, but to prevent it from getting too advanced. If Sin hadn't let them rebuild, the people would have lost hope; something both Yunalesca and Mika considered catastrophic.

As for the cities;

Tidus: What about Luca? It's safe here?
Yuna: It's not any different, but the stadium is here. The Crusaders fight to protect it with all their strength.

In any case, Sin wouldn't have destroyed Luca, as that would've eliminated blitzball and with no entertainment, the people would lose hope. And not only does Bevelle have the protection of the warrior monks, but has a temple that summoners need to pray at to get the Final Summoning. No Final Summoning, no hope.

Sin (and by extension Yu Yevon) were more a force of nature than anything else. They weren't out to destroy the world or anything.

No, Yevon had originally designed Sin to be a super-weapon, not unlike Vegnagun. Unfortunately, he miscalculated and ended up losing his humanity and all control over his actions. And destroying the world would've ed up his true goal, to preserve Zanarkand's memory forever through DZ.

What little damage they did to human society was just an unfortunate consequence of their existence.

Not true. Sin's destruction was entirely intended, just not 1000 years' worth of destruction.

[Slothy]

Ok, so perhaps I was a little off with my views on Sin. Forgive me as it's been a while since I played through the game. Still though, show me where we know he amassed a kill total over those 1000 years that was greater than anything else. Any villiage or city that was prepared for him could conceivably manage to get the hell out of his way before many people got hurt. In fact, Sin's goals could have been accomplished without killing anyone and by merely destroying buildings and technology. I also still maintain that he didn't do half as much as the religion that grew around him. People could still have worked to advance technology, particularly in the hopes of one day destroying Sin, and might even have been able to hide such advancements from him, or at least stay mobile enough to avoid him (such as with the airship). In fact, considering the Al Bhed's Home was a hub of advanced technology, Sin never really seemed to do it's job in wiping it out. Either it didn't know about it, couldn't get to it, was fought off, or they were able to rebuild anytime he attacked. Regardless of which is the case, it's evidence that Sin wasn't even very effective at it's given mission of stunting technological development.

[50calCerberus]

when u think about it do all the ff villians have good reasons for doin wat they did...i mean ya most were psycotic evil genious' but did some of them have understandable intentions

[ReloadPsi]

Chaos had the world under boot and heel for 2000 years, maybe more if you take the time loop into consideration. I like how that was ignored.

Yes, but most people didn't even know he existed, go around and talk to everyone they have no idea who Chaos is.

Hey, the longer a serial killer lasts without getting caught, the longer he gets to kill more people, thus the more he "accomplishes"; the Yorkshire Ripper killed several people before his identity was unmasked. They were well aware of the wind stopping, the seas raging and the earth decaying, all because of these four fiends that Chaos kept sending forward in time so they could send someone back to become him again.

But even so, I'm starting to lean towards Yu-Yevon anyway, what with this whole "world destruction before the game even begins" thing everyone's on about.

[beema]

Out of all the ones I've played, definitely Kefka.

[50calCerberus]

umm is the dude with the horns on the eoff banner next to aeris kefka

[Karellen]

No, that's Odin as he appears in FFVIII. This is Kefka.

[tailz]

dont know if its been said yet but didnt seymour acomplish his goal

becoming one with sin,

okey his plan after that didnt get much further as destroying a part of bevelle but still. his first goal was met.


besides that, kefka wins.