Kefka vs. Sephiroth

[Forsaken Lover]

It really shouldn't matter what Seph planned to do. No more than it should matter what Kefka was gonna do. Neither did it.

"I shall make this planet into a vessel!"

"I shall kill everyone!"

^^ neither happened. Neither matter.

Also, Omega and Seph both wanted to suck up all the planet's energy. Both failed.

Omega didn't blast off into space and Aeris was still around doing her thing, so Seph wasn't in complete control or I'm pretty sure he would have noticed her.

Then there's the fact FF7 Gaia hasn't been able to heal a big hole. That's some uber mighty life energy I tell ya.

I mean...if a continent got blown up, I think teh planet would just die right then and there. That be WAY too much for it to try healing.

Meanwhile, didnt' Kefka screw with the entire planet?

[Enjolras]

and I think that my opinion > All, even SE.

I'm not changing my opinion, ever.

Well, Raebus wins the prize for most childish arguing.

From what I've seen of this thread, it seems a lot of people are judging this entirely on magic power, while I'm inclined to agree with those of the opinion that Seph would slice him to pieces in a one-on-one fight.

And I think destroying a few towns and gauging a few scars on the surface of a planet not quite up to the same level as the ability to manipulate all the life force of a planet into killing a great many people and turning the entire planet into a moving vessel to travel the cosmos and no doubt spread such destruction among other places.

And lets not forget that Kefka had to use the statues to gain his power, while Sephiroth with his own power gained control of Jenova and the Lifestream to start his Geostigma plan.

[FF_Chick]

But Kefka was a mere human. Sephiroth was some magical guy. Don't know where his powers came from. Kefka absorbed the power from the statues and made it his own, probably making him MORE insane than he already was.

[Enjolras]

The fact that Kefka started as a normal human doesn't earn him any kind of pity vote or anything.

And Sephiroths powers aren't too mysterious, he was genetically enhanced while in the womb to be a superior being.

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

I'd like to also point out, AVALANCHE (since we seem to be using these names to signify the group as opposed to the mooks who get killed at some point in the story). took out a single dragon in Advent Children. The Returners, in the World of Ruin, take out 8 dragons. And two demon-thingies.

Also, Sephiroth's sword-play isn't as utterly impressive as people seem to make it out to be. One of the fun things about magic, its damage is generally higher and its range is generally longer. Kefka has the MP to spare. I don't think Sephy's sword's winning him anything here.

And Kefka uses just as much of his own power as Sephiroth. Sephiroth uses Jenova and the Lifestream, Kefka uses Espers and the Statues.

[Forsaken Lover]

quote]And I think destroying a few towns and gauging a few scars on the surface of a planet not quite up to the same level as the ability to manipulate all the life force of a planet into killing a great many people and turning the entire planet into a moving vessel to travel the cosmos and no doubt spread such destruction among other places.[/quote]

Yeah...Sephiroth never did that.

And Geostigma came about because of Jenova getting destroyed and her remains falling into the Lifestream.

And lets not forget that Kefka had to use the statues to gain his power, while Sephiroth with his own power gained control of Jenova and the Lifestream to start his Geostigma plan.

lol Lifestream isn’t Sephiroth’s power. And the Statues aren’t Kefka’s power. Both men leeched off power greater than their own.

[,,,]

I don't know where people are getting the idea that Kefka was an ordinary human before getting power from the statues =/

Kefka was given magic in Cid's early experiments. Remember his wholesale slaughter of Espers at Thasma? Yeah, that was before he got to the floating continent. He massacred waves of espers and then killed the empire's best general all without breaking a sweat. Without the statues. I'd call that a pretty damn powerful guy.

[Avarice-ness]

I don't know where people are getting the idea that Kefka was an ordinary human before getting power from the statues =/

Kefka was given magic in Cid's early experiments. Remember his wholesale slaughter of Espers at Thasma? Yeah, that was before he got to the floating continent. He massacred waves of espers and then killed the empire's best general all without breaking a sweat. Without the statues. I'd call that a pretty damn powerful guy.

It's because most people don't spend their time knowing Kefkas background versus Sephiroths.

Kefka was the original person experimented on with the whole being magically infused thing. Cid knew it was unstable but Kefka still willingly let Cid experiment on him because he knew that in the world of no magic, someone with those kinds of skills could do some owning.

Before the experiments Kefka was already a world hater, luckly for him, the experiments got messed up somewhere down the line 'causing his mind to wither away faster than it already was.

Celes had the same experiments done, luckly for her, all the kinks were worked out with it on Kefka so she came out normal, just an anti-social emo.

Kefka did -alot- of damage before the statues, and already had a mass hate from the people of the free and not free world. That was before all the statues.

[,,,]

It's because most people don't spend their time knowing Kefkas background versus Sephiroths.

Kefka was the original person experimented on with the whole being magically infused thing. Cid knew it was unstable but Kefka still willingly let Cid experiment on him because he knew that in the world of no magic, someone with those kinds of skills could do some owning.

Before the experiments Kefka was already a world hater, luckly for him, the experiments got messed up somewhere down the line 'causing his mind to wither away faster than it already was.

Celes had the same experiments done, luckly for her, all the kinks were worked out with it on Kefka so she came out normal, just an anti-social emo.

Kefka did -alot- of damage before the statues, and already had a mass hate from the people of the free and not free world. That was before all the statues.

So it's up to us to spread the message! Or, mostly just you. Where'd you get all that info? I didn't know the part about him already being well on his way to being a madman before the experiments, just that the experiments really messed him up. And I didn't know Kefka had any idea of the risks beforehand, I kind of assumed it was the opposite. Is that in the game anywhere?

And here I thought I had pretty much all the info on my second favorite madman that there was to know, now I feel inferior =(

[Firo Volondé]

If Kefka was so big and unbeatable before obtaining the Goddess Statues, why didn't he kill Sabin when they met in the Imperial Camp near Doma, instead of running away, cackling and making awful jokes?

[Forsaken Lover]

'cause he's MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDD!!!!!

Seriously though, I got no idea.

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

If Kefka was so big and unbeatable before obtaining the Goddess Statues, why didn't he kill Sabin when they met in the Imperial Camp near Doma, instead of running away, cackling and making awful jokes?

Because he had better things to do like poisoning an entire castle?

[Goldenboko]

If Kefka was so big and unbeatable before obtaining the Goddess Statues, why didn't he kill Sabin when they met in the Imperial Camp near Doma, instead of running away, cackling and making awful jokes?

Because then Square would have to think of a reason why he survived, or introduce a character to take his place in WoR.

[Rengori]

If Kefka was so big and unbeatable before obtaining the Goddess Statues, why didn't he kill Sabin when they met in the Imperial Camp near Doma, instead of running away, cackling and making awful jokes?

How many times did Sephiroth have a chance to kill Cloud and friends and not take it?

[Avarice-ness]

It's because most people don't spend their time knowing Kefkas background versus Sephiroths.

Kefka was the original person experimented on with the whole being magically infused thing. Cid knew it was unstable but Kefka still willingly let Cid experiment on him because he knew that in the world of no magic, someone with those kinds of skills could do some owning.

Before the experiments Kefka was already a world hater, luckly for him, the experiments got messed up somewhere down the line 'causing his mind to wither away faster than it already was.

Celes had the same experiments done, luckly for her, all the kinks were worked out with it on Kefka so she came out normal, just an anti-social emo.

Kefka did -alot- of damage before the statues, and already had a mass hate from the people of the free and not free world. That was before all the statues.

So it's up to us to spread the message! Or, mostly just you. Where'd you get all that info? I didn't know the part about him already being well on his way to being a madman before the experiments, just that the experiments really messed him up. And I didn't know Kefka had any idea of the risks beforehand, I kind of assumed it was the opposite. Is that in the game anywhere?

And here I thought I had pretty much all the info on my second favorite madman that there was to know, now I feel inferior =(

It's what happens when you go around and talk to every person in every town multiple times. At some point when Kefka was imprisoned in Vector, one of the random soliders says something about Kefka's sanity being off before everything ever went down. I'll replay through for screens. =D Because.. I replay through for no reasons anyway. XD

If Kefka was so big and unbeatable before obtaining the Goddess Statues, why didn't he kill Sabin when they met in the Imperial Camp near Doma, instead of running away, cackling and making awful jokes?

Yeah, that wouldn't be fun at all. The sounds of an entire castle having their lungs melted seems so much more fun then killing a couple of guys. He clearly made the right choice.