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    Well, in animé foa, a strong woman is a rarity!

    Or rather, they're a 'rarity' that script writers like to use a lot.

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    Four words: Warrant Officer Ellen Ripley.

    And four more words: Lieutenant* Colonel Samantha Carter.

    That is all.

    *"Lieutenant" literally means "placeholder" in French, more or less. Teehee!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JKTrix View Post
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    If the anime girl is a leading lady in a series geared toward guys, then they're usually 'strong'. The average anime girl is anything but. Usually the damsel in distress type or fodder for fanservice and awkward adolescent situations. The best ones are the ones who start out normal or insecure and grow to become strong, rather than those who start out as a badass and don't really change. Escaflowne, 12 Kingdoms and I'd even go as far back as Gunbuster are some good examples of normalish girls who become strong.


    As far as anime goes, there are a fair share of 'strong' women. It's almost a sort of prerequisite now for action shows, that there must be at least one woman who can at least match the main character--if they're not the main character themselves. However, I don't want every girl to be Yoko or Revy or Mireille. It's fine now and then, but if they're not unique enough I lose interest.



    Do not agree at all.

    No offence.

    In fact most of what you described is how a define a strong anyone not just a strong woman. True strength is dealing with something hard towards youself, even if you don't want to. I have never seen any damsels in distress in anime save for a dream sequence, and even then the character in question didn't really need saving. That is why I conicer anime girls to be the strongest of TV girls. I am a huge fan of girl power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReloadPsi View Post
    *"Lieutenant" literally means "placeholder" in French, more or less. Teehee!
    Yeah, they stand-in for higher officers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJN SEIFER View Post
    Do not agree at all.

    No offence.

    In fact most of what you described is how a define a strong anyone not just a strong woman. True strength is dealing with something hard towards youself, even if you don't want to. I have never seen any damsels in distress in anime save for a dream sequence, and even then the character in question didn't really need saving. That is why I conicer anime girls to be the strongest of TV girls. I am a huge fan of girl power.
    I'll just take it that you're very selective of the anime you watch and you don't quite have as broad a base of anime to go off of as I do. But I'll agree that 'strong' females seem to pop up more noticeably often in anime than other forms of entertainment.

    You bring up an interesting point about my point though, in how I described a 'strong anyone'. Perhaps part of being a 'strong woman' is not expecting to be treated or classified differently and behaving as such. Perhaps it's refusing to be treated differently in a given situation just because one is a woman. I keep putting 'strong' in loose quotes because it's obviously something that can have individual meaning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fire_of_avalon View Post
    I don't like this question. It assumes a strong woman is an anomaly. That they're hard to find. I don't think that's true at all. I know plenty of real life "strong women" who are strong people. Why should I judge women's "strength" by a different set of standards than the "strength" of men?
    A woman once said to me that they wish an anime would feature a truly strong female lead. Not just a hot girl with muscles and no depth of character... or something like that. I tried to make suggestions but was told that I don't understand what a strong woman is. Thus the question.
    I really don't see how you can compare the defining of a strong woman with assuming one is an anomaly. It just sounds ridiculous. Just because stronger or more independent women are more prevalent in modern society doesn't mean we have a clear definition of what it means to be a strong woman. In fact, we probably don't have a clear definition of what it means to be a strong man, or a strong person.

    I'm in heartfelt agreement with JKTrix. I think the idea of strength is synonymous with independence. However, you can only be so independent before it starts to eat away at you. People are meant to depend on other people. If you can't trust or rely on others, you become maniacal in nature like Lex Luthor or Hitler.

    I would hazard that a strong person is someone who believes in something and believes in themself and refuses to be used or taken for granted; someone who does what's right by them despite what others might think, no matter how painful it might be; someone who does what's right altogether despite the consequences that might befall them and pushes themself to the limit to defend what truly matters; someone who can stand on their own but can realize their weaknesses and ask for help.
    You think in situations when there is time to think. You act in situations where there is not. Then you live with whatever outcome you wrought and move on so that you can make the next tough decision. Most of all, you never allow your judgment to be clouded by oppinion. Only the facts and the emotions set upon you. You never allow yourself to be ruled by your ego.
    Jack: How do you know?

    Will: It's more of a feeling really.

    Jack: Well, that's not scientific. Feeling isn't knowing. Feeling is believing. If you believe it, you can't know because there's no knowing what you believe. Then again, no one should believe what they know either. Once you know anything that anything becomes unbelievable if only by virtue of the fact you now... know it. You know?

    Will: No.

    If Demolition Man were remade today

    Huxley: What's wrong? You broke contact.
    Spartan: Contact? I didn't even touch you.
    Huxley: Don't you want to make love?
    Spartan: Is that what you call this? Why don't we just do it the old-fashioned way?
    Huxley: NO!
    Spartan: Whoa! Okay, calm down.
    Huxley: Don't tell me to calm down!
    Spartan: What's gotten into you? 'Cause it sure as hell wasn't me.
    Huxley: Physical relations in the way of intercourse are no longer acceptable John Spartan.
    Spartan: What? Why the hell not?
    Huxley: It's the law, John. And for your information, the very idea that you suggested it makes me feel personally violated.
    Spartan: Wait a minute... violated? Huxley what the hell are you accusing me of here?
    Huxley: You need to leave, John.
    Spartan: But Huxley.
    Huxley: Get out!
    Moments later Spartan is arrested for "violating" Huxley.

    By the way, that's called satire. Get over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercen-X View Post
    What might you feel are characteristics missing in most female characters, particularly in anime?
    non oversized boobs.
    It looks like the ground had a sex change.

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    Hmm. That's not really all that informative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I'm my own MILF View Post
    My grandma was a nurse for forty years. She had no prospect of rising very high in the hospital ranks, getting higher pay, or anything of the like. She spent decades with people in their dying moments, cleaning up after people who couldn't retain bowel control, cleaning up every kind of bodily excrement or fluid you can imagine. She worked nights most of that time, too. She never complained; she got on with the job, and she never begrudged the patients for the things they couldn't help doing, but always tried to give them whatever comfort and dignity she was able to, whether they were there for a short stay or until the bitter end.

    She had four children, loved her husband until the day he died, and has pined for him every single day of the fifteen years since then. She raised me when my parents couldn't with infinite love and kindness. She has struggled with depression her whole life, and comes from a generation with far different attitudes towards it. And all this, through the Troubles, at risk of being bombed or shot or God only knows what else - indeed, several of her brother's family were killed Shankill Road bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (The Bairds, and Michael Morrison, Michelle Baird's father). She stayed strong throughout it all, helped her brother raising his surviving grandchildren.

    That's a strong woman. This nonsense about a woman who can look a man in the eye, or hold her own in a fight? I'm hardly impressed.
    Abso-freaking-lutely! If only there were more people in general, let alone women, like your grandmother. I'm humbled by your grandma's story. You should be proud to know such a wonderful caring woman.


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    You can tell what is a strong woman by using the opposite. What is a weak woman?

    To me a weak woman is one who acts stereotypically like a 19th or earlier century woman would normally act, which (and I'm choosing my words to indicate my displeasure of such behaviour) might include feigning or acting or being helpless, not being independent, and indecisiveness.

    Most of my female friends aren't anything even close to this, for the simple reason that I likes my strong wimminz.

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    Is this what makes Lara Croft a strong woman?

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    the "Major" from Ghost in the Shell. She's a major badass. She is the symbol of badass. She set the bar for badass. She holds the world record for badass. Know why her name is "Major"? Cuz she is a "Major" badass. I would go on. But you get the idea.
    " The secret is to just keep moving."- Franka Potente, actress
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