Why a lot of fans don't like this game *SPOILERS*

[Vivisteiner]

This is why I love the internet. You guys type out a full page worth of rebuttal and try to sound as intelligent as possible but you're really saying nothing to actually counter what I said. Like I said, a whole lot of nothing!

You're the one talking crap, not me. All of your posts are solely your opinions without facts. Stop being arrogant and admit that you were wrong for saying that FFIX cannot be the best Final Fantasy.

Baseless crap? I'm sorry that a person such as myself with a broader perspective and likely more experience in the series has angered a couple fan-boys that are so dedicated to a single game.

No. Just no.

You have no idea how much Final Fantasy Ive played. You've no idea how much knowledge on Final Fantasys I have. Just to get things clear, I love FFVII, VIII and all the other FFs Ive played, but they are inferrior in most ways to FFIX in my opinion.

This is like the Mac vs. PC argument and I'm Linux. I never said FFIX was a bad game; I pointed out why it wasn't the best. If you hopeless romantic's could get over yourselves you'd notice I'm not exactly flaming the game. I could pull a near or equal list of flaws from just about any RPG really but that's not what this is about. I'm telling you flat out that Final Fantasy IX is very distant from being the absolute best of the Final Fantasy series and you have yet to actually correct me. You've answered facts with beliefs. You remind me of a traditional creationist almost.

Idiot, Im a left wing evolutionist who uses evidence in my posts. Unlike you. All you're contributing is the repetition that FFIX isnt very good in certain aspects without saying why. You dont use facts, you just repeat statements that are false without addressing our replies.

When I question it's sales, you fail to respond but simply show me good reviews. Whoop de doo. It's a good game of course it got good reviews. 5 million copies sold? I hope so, it was a good game. But you're dodging the fact it still sold less than it's predecessors.

And you're dodging the fact that sales figures are not correlated to quality. You dont judge a game based upon sales figures unless you're an imbecile. Oh wait, that explains a lot.

You toss aside the reviews as if they mean nothing, but I think that the reviewers know far more about games in general than you. You ignored the fact that two series pillars - two people who founded and made Final Fantasy what it is both call FFIX the best Final Fantasy ever. Yet you still seem to think that your opinion is the sole, correct, factual opinion despite what Sakaguchi and Uematsu say. Dont you think you're being a trifle arrogant?

Also, FFIX has the best music IMO.

When I point out it's nonthreatening and general cartoon-ish characters you bawk at the opposite for being too cliche' / recycled when you're really defending a game which was built on recycled ideas and the like. Hypocrisy that I know you didn't intend but managed.

I guess I was too subtle for you. My whole point is that every great game has cliches to some extent. You're calling FFIX out for them despite the fact that FFVII and VIII are full of them as well. Flawed logic my friend.

When I point out the lack of rewarding / good side-quests you call it rubbish. What sort of argument is that?

I called it rubbish because it is rubbish. The chocobo quests are very rewarding giving powerful weapons such as Ragnorak which has the powerful ability shock. Defeating Hades is rewarding allowing you to see extra ending scenes and summon a new Ediolon.

There's a reason the game is as short as it is. Redundant, short, rather unrewarding side-quests. You cannot debate that without pure fallacy. The Tetra game was severely criticized and was a poor unrewarding attempt to mimic Triple Triad. Mognet, as you submit, was pretty bad. There's a couple optional bosses with little reward and there's the few ultimate weapons. Yay? I will one at a time go through at least 3 other FF games with both better, longer and more rewarding side-quests.

Mognet was entertaining but short (btw, its admit, not submit). Tetra Master I enjoyed - its my personal taste. Personally, I though Triple Triad was boring. And then you forget about the amazingly awesome Chocobo Hot and Cold side quest which you conveniently didnt mention. Compare that to FFVIII - what good sidequests did that have? The chocobos in FFVIII were unaccessible!

You seem to be focussing on sidequests, but those are not what makes FF great. What makes them great is a deep and involving storyline. I felt that FFIX had that for the aforementioned reasons. It deals with deep issues has interesting and varied characters and moods and generally gives an all round experience that few games can compete with.

When I point out characters you tell me I am confusing design with personality. You sir are confusing personality with design. I find their design juvenile most of all. Pardon the confusion. Personality I am not so much hawking on though I would award personality superiority to other FF games. Pay attention because I am not saying FFIX is weak in this aspect but it is not BEST. This is where your blind love for the game is angering and misguiding you. I'm not sure of your age and I'll try to be as little prejudiced as I can but as someone who was in my teens playing FFVIII and now in my 20's I can much better appreciate both the character and design of Rinoa and Squall. Personally I loved their story. It's common knowledge and criticism that Squall had some annoying traits but once again I'm not proposing he is the BEST main character. I don't believe it at all but Zidane and Garnet don't fit that bill either.

Ehhhh...that whole post says absolutely nothing of value. Its just asserting your opinion without an ounce of evidence. I know Squall has annoying traits, as does Rinoa, but what really is terrible is the shoddy developement of their love. One minute Squall is saying that she's a loser, the next he's crying his heart out over her. Its poor, cliched character developement that seems forced and fake.

And you're the one still confusing design and personality. The design of a character does not make up the core part of the game. You see, unlike you, Im not shallow. I dont go 'Oooh that guys got a tail...thats not real...therefore that makes the game worse!'. That attidude is ridiculous. Especially seeing as its Final Fantasy.

Finally, when I say it's short you tell me I rushed through it. Big assumption.

Liar. I said you probably rushed through it. Big difference.

You also say it doesn't take you much longer when you play through. Through and through I capped 50 hours into the game. A grand portion is also attributed to long conversation, cut-scene's and the like. Like I said the game was VERY good in terms of graphical presentation and environment. Add that to the clock. Expanding on that, you argue that somehow being 4-discs long attributes some sort of testament to it's length. I say once again: great graphical presentation and new age (at the time) RPG graphics makes for a LOT more disc space than we are used to so your argument here is entirely invalid right to the top of this paragraph.

Obviously I realise it requires more disc space, but to tell you the truth, I dont believe you. Each time I play through FFIX it takes around 70 hours. I think my statistics are more reliable than yours. Comparing that to other FFs, it's about the same - no matter what you think.

I added the 4 disc point as an extra, and not as my key point. Way to go by ignoring the rest of my points and focussing on one tiny bit as if its the crux of my argument.

So I'll leave you with that. Try not to explode or break anything in your room. Final Fantasy IX is a great game. I boldly state it is not the best in it's series and with patience and calmness await rebuttal that makes sense rather than just mask length and wit as true argument.

Hahaaa, you're funny. Its not the fact that you dont think its the best game in the series that annoys me. There are many reasons why people believe it to be the case. What really pisses me off about people like you is that you ignore other people's points and state false arguments. Just like I havnt tried imposing on anyone that FFIX is irrefutably the best game in the series, dont try imposing on me the reverse. It just makes you sound like an idiot.


FYI, I did notice that you ignored many of my previous points. Maybe if you learnt how to quote properly youd be able to address them all? Again, as with my previous post I've used facts to back up my arguments for the most part. Compare that with your posts and you'll realise that yours are severly lacking them. Try using direct comparisons instead of vague writings.

Oh, and your attempt to label me as unintelligent was poorly done. If you must know, my exam marks were one of the top in the country. And Im 16.

What Id now like to hear is an admittal that Im not out of my mind for believing that FFIX is the best game ever. I wonder whether you'll have the courage and sense to admit that. You try and sound reasonable except you make some very extreme comments. Maybe you are unable to cope with the concept of variance.

Finally, Ill leave you with this quote from FFIX. I think, in essence, it applies to you.

"Foolish. Picking fights with strangers in a place like this... I used to know someone like that. He was a loser... He refused to find beneficial ways to use his power. Instead, he'd seek out people to fight..." -Amarant Coral, FFIX

Ill leave you to remember who he was referring to.

On topic, I think its been the opposite with XII to me. When I first beat it i thought it was seriously lacking but enjoyed it alot the second time, after learning to accept it for what it is - the newest installment in the new direction FF is taking. Looking back it is a great game and i look forward to playing it again

Bolivar, I think you're wrong. FFXII is just a one off project from the FFT team. Matsuno and co. have left now and FFXIII is being made by Toriyama and Kitase and FFvXIII is being made by Nomura and Hashimoto. The styles of the new games will suit that of those who are making it - and thus the style will be very different from FFXII (in all probability). FFXII doesnt reflect the new direction that the series is heading in in an accurate or reliable way.