Can someone's moral beliefs be stupid?

[KentaRawr!]

One's moral is essentially their opinion on something that they relate to their sense of right and wrong. If an opinion can be stupid, so can one's sense of morale. Whether this moral opinion was taught to them by a preacher or experience, it has the ability to be perceived as stupid. Or, perhaps the more appropriate term here would be "dumb".

[ljkkjlcm9]

For your masturbation thing....
Some people find it morally wrong, especially for males. This is due to the fact that you're waisting sperm. On top of that, some people believe God sees everything you do, and that he looks down upon them for masturbating. While I disagree with this view, some people believe strongly in it, and it is logical. If you believe God is always watching you, and you don't believe in pre-marital sex, I can logically see how you could see masturbation as a bad thing as well.

So while that may not make logical sense and is just dumb to someone who doesn't have the same beliefs, I can understand why certain people do have logic behind it.

I mean, most people think it's morally wrong to cheat on a boyfriend/girlfriend or husband/wife. Yet some people find nothing wrong with swapping partners, being in open relationships, or in some religions, having multiple wives. To them they don't see logic in restricting yourself to one partner.

THE JACKEL

[Flying Mullet]

Another note on the masturbation bit:

Some Asian sects which practice martial arts view masturbation as a unwanted release of energy. They feel that the sexual desire and drive is a form of energy that is best expended through martial arts practice and combat rather than sexual exertion. They will even avoid any sexual interaction with another individual to save these energies as they can be better used in other activities.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

One's moral is essentially their opinion on something that they relate to their sense of right and wrong. If an opinion can be stupid, so can one's sense of morale. Whether this moral opinion was taught to them by a preacher or experience, it has the ability to be perceived as stupid. Or, perhaps the more appropriate term here would be "dumb".

Not to be a stick in the mud, but morals are not someone's opinion. You do not decide your own morals. Morals come from the community. There are many things affecting what someone's morals will be but they are all external.

To go back to the thread topic at hand, the post-modernist in me wants to scream moral relativism which to a certain degree is true since one community will have different set of values due to having different influences. To go to roto's question at hand, it provides us with a problem because to say that their moral or ethics are based on "wrong reasons" is to make a judgement on what is right and wrong and superimpose such judgement onto some other system without considering their own differences and such. So to actually answer this question to any extent there would exist the need to elucidate what is meant by "wrong reasons". Are we referring to the immorality of masturbation based on old misunderstandings of human anatomy, as per the Bible, or referring to ones own moral or ethical basis?

[KentaRawr!]

I guess we just have a different idea of what morals are, then. But to me, it does seem to just be an opinion. Just as with opinions, they are derived from where you live. Everything about a person is derived from where they live, and who they meet. Their likes, dislikes, everything. Their sense of right and wrong also stems from this, and that is their set of morals.

[Roto13]

All of your anti-masturbation reasons are ridiculous.

Just thought I'd point that out.

[Old Manus]

You're just coming across as butthurt from Evastio's comment in the other thread

[Roogle]

I believe that we should worry about maintaining our own moral beliefs and the moral beliefs of others that we love or care about in some way, shape, or form.

Please do not make inappropriate comments about other members.

[Roto13]

I agree with Manus.

To spite thee, oh BAWWING Roto, I will say that no one's morals are stupid and all are entitled to believing whatever they wish to - even if it means that such a thing is offensive or seemingly inane.

Damn right that kind of pisses me off and offends me. Did anyone think that was a secret?

[Araciel]

Religion is a valid excuse for almost anything.

Also, Moral beliefs are justified by the fact that they exist, not their reason for existing or what they pertain to.

[Lawr]

You don't have to call Evastio stupid and ignorant though, do you? Why do you call him stupid just because he is different from you? That's like another form of racism if you ask me.

[KentaRawr!]

It's not really racism, if you ask me. Prejudice, sure, but a different kind of prejudice. Like, a prejudice against implied prejudice.

But I think this is only going to get messy from here on out. If I were a Mod of some sort, I'd probably close this.

[Roto13]

Religion is a valid excuse for almost anything.

Also, Moral beliefs are justified by the fact that they exist, not their reason for existing or what they pertain to.

Load of crap.

You don't have to call Evastio stupid and ignorant though, do you? Why do you call him stupid just because he is different from you?

I didn't call Evastio stupid, but he has at least one ridiculously idiotic belief.

[Araciel]

No U.

[Lawr]

Like, a prejudice against implied prejudice.

But Evastio said that he was OK with people having same-sex relations around him, he just said he wouldn't do it himself, so not really a prejudice, it's just him taking his stance. Ah, there we go! A nice and short definition for morals! Someone taking their stance about a subject. FINISH

But I think this is only going to get messy from here on out. If I were a Mod of some sort, I'd probably close this.

Actually, Loony Bob encouraged that someone make a thread about this discussion.

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@Roto13

Ignorance is rarely harmless.

However if their reasoning is basically down to you having differing beliefs (eg. Religion-based morals) then their reasoning isn't stupid, it's just something you personally disagree with.

Nope.

Religion is not a license to be a dumbass. It's so annoying when people try to use their religion as an excuse for this kind of belief.

"I think I should be able to murder prostitutes."

"You're a horrible person."

"No, it's ok, it's in the Bible."

"Oh, well in that case, it's alright then."

Sorry, I misread these.